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From: hjl@lucon.org (H.J. Lu)
To: ian@zembu.com (Ian Lance Taylor)
Cc: scottb@corelcomputer.com, bfd@cygnus.com
Subject: Re: arm questions
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:29:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m10Xskk-000ErMC@ocean.lucon.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <19990415184652.2787.qmail@daffy.airs.com>

> 
>    Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:49:16 -0400
>    From: Scott Bambrough <scottb@corelcomputer.com>
> 
>    Actually Phil is in England, Pat Beirne and I are in Canada.
> 
> Oops--sorry.
> 
>    We chose REL because we did not need the addend.  In hindsight I
>    would choose RELA.
> 
> For the benefit of anybody who is considering an ELF port, please
> always use RELA relocs rather than REL relocs.  REL relocs work OK for
> processors with very simple relocation needs, like an i386 or m68k.
> For a RISC processor, they are a real pain.  You always need to
> support an addend which can support your entire address space, in
> order to handle code like this:
>     char a[10000];
>     int foo () { return a[9999]; }
> This ought to turn into a reference to the symbol a + 9999, so you
> need an addend which can hold a value of 9999, or you get inefficient
> code.

Ok. You are saying RELA is better than REL. Does it make any senses
to use RELA for relocatable object and allow REL for excutable and
shared objects?

> 
>    > In the meantime, Cygnus implemented ARM ELF, using RELA relocs.
> 
>    Something of which we were entirely unaware of at the time, otherwise we would
>    have attempted to collaborate in a closer fashion.
> 
> I now recall that I dropped the ball on this one.  I saw the request
> for the ARM ELF work come in to Cygnus, but I didn't manage to figure
> out that it was for a different ABI than the one in H.J.'s snapshots.
> 

If RELA is really desired, can ARM/Linux switch to RELA with a different
soname? Binaries using REL should still run ok, just like what we did
to libc 5 on x86.

-- 
H.J. Lu (hjl@gnu.org)

  reply	other threads:[~1999-04-15 13:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1999-04-15 10:38 Doug Evans
1999-04-15 11:01 ` Ian Lance Taylor
1999-04-15 11:31   ` Scott Bambrough
1999-04-15 11:47     ` Ian Lance Taylor
1999-04-15 13:29       ` H.J. Lu [this message]
1999-04-15 13:59         ` Ian Lance Taylor
1999-04-15 14:15           ` Mixing REL and RELA H.J. Lu
1999-04-15 14:21             ` Ian Lance Taylor
1999-04-15 14:28               ` H.J. Lu
1999-04-15 13:10   ` arm questions H.J. Lu
1999-04-15 13:45     ` Ian Lance Taylor
1999-04-15 13:36   ` Philip Blundell
1999-04-16  0:43     ` Lee Smith
1999-04-16  3:21       ` Toshi Morita
     [not found]     ` <3.0.5.32.19990416083918.0099b8a0.cygnus.local.bfd@mail1.bateman.arm.com>
1999-04-18 17:10       ` Doug Evans

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