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From: Jakub Jelinek <jakub@redhat.com>
To: "H.J. Lu" <hjl.tools@gmail.com>
Cc: Michael Matz <matz@suse.de>,
	"Maciej W. Rozycki" <macro@imgtec.com>,
	       Alan Modra <amodra@gmail.com>,
	       Richard Biener <richard.guenther@gmail.com>,
	Jeff Law <law@redhat.com>,
	       Cary Coutant <ccoutant@gmail.com>,
	Joe Groff <jgroff@apple.com>,
	       Binutils <binutils@sourceware.org>, GCC <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Preventing preemption of 'protected' symbols in GNU ld 2.26 [aka should we revert the fix for 65248]
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 18:52:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160418185151.GL2920@laptop.zalov.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMe9rOpTRq1gATYTW9ts4XNOq5ziQKp+Gkuw2QEDZWe6i-dcyA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 10:27:45AM -0700, H.J. Lu wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Michael Matz <matz@suse.de> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Mon, 18 Apr 2016, H.J. Lu wrote:
> >
> >> > reason is DSO code (also handcoded assembly) may reasonably expect to
> >> > be able to load the address with a PC-relative load-address type
> >> > instruction (ADDIUPC, LEA, MOVAB, etc.) and the target may not even
> >> > have suitable dynamic relocations available to apply any load-time
> >> > fixup if the symbol referred turns up outside of the DSO.  The
> >> > instruction used may have a PC-relative range limit too.
> >>
> >> That is why protected visibility is such a mess.
> >
> > Not mess, but it comes with certain limitations.  And that's okay.  It's
> > intended as an optimization, and it should do that optimization if
> > requested, and error out if it can't be done for whatever reason.
> >
> > E.g. one limitation might very well be that function pointer comparison
> > for protected functions doesn't work (gives different outcomes if the
> > pointer is built from inside the exe or from a shared lib).  (No matter
> > how it's built, it will still _work_ when called).  Alternatively we can
> > make comparison work (by using the exe PLT slot), in which case Alans
> > testcase will need more complications to show that protected visibility
> > currently is broken.  Alans testcase will work right now (as in showing
> > protected being broken) on data symbols.
> >
> 
> We have special treatment for pointer of protected function symbol
> in ld and ld.so from day one, which, BTW, disables optimization of
> pointer of protected function symbol inside the shared library.

But maybe that is the mistake.  Doing this makes protected visibility
no longer a userful optimization for anything, it is usually more expensive
than normal visibility, so it is generally a pessimization nobody should
really use.
Compared to this, having a protected-like visibility which doesn't care
about function pointer comparisons would be generally useful to many
projects, and e.g. glibc is heavily using it itself (using hacked up
macros).  Generally it could be even implementable just on the compiler side
and leave the badly designed "protected" to keep what it used to do (i.e.
revert the change) and hope or actively suggest to users that if they ever
think of this "protected" visibility, they are always doing something wrong.

	Jakub

  reply	other threads:[~2016-04-18 18:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <AB592ABD-D6D7-4D2F-A0D6-45738F168DC4@apple.com>
2016-03-29 19:31 ` Fwd: Preventing preemption of 'protected' symbols in GNU ld 2.26 Joe Groff
2016-03-29 19:33   ` H.J. Lu
2016-03-29 19:36     ` Joe Groff
2016-03-29 19:43       ` H.J. Lu
2016-03-29 19:51         ` Joe Groff
2016-03-29 19:54           ` H.J. Lu
2016-03-29 22:05             ` H.J. Lu
2016-03-30  1:44             ` Alan Modra
2016-03-30  1:46             ` Cary Coutant
2016-03-30  4:04               ` Jeff Law
2016-03-30  7:20                 ` Cary Coutant
2016-03-30  7:34                   ` Cary Coutant
2016-03-30 14:44                 ` Alan Modra
2016-03-31  0:45                   ` Cary Coutant
2016-04-15 21:49                   ` Preventing preemption of 'protected' symbols in GNU ld 2.26 [aka should we revert the fix for 65248] Jeff Law
2016-04-15 21:56                     ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-18  9:02                       ` Richard Biener
2016-04-18 14:49                         ` Alan Modra
2016-04-18 14:59                           ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-18 17:04                             ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2016-04-18 17:09                               ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-18 17:24                                 ` Michael Matz
2016-04-18 17:27                                   ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-18 18:52                                     ` Jakub Jelinek [this message]
2016-04-18 19:28                                       ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-18 17:55                                   ` Cary Coutant
2016-04-25 17:24                                     ` Jeff Law
2016-04-25 17:31                                       ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-18 17:57                                   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2016-04-19  5:08                             ` Alan Modra
2016-04-19  8:20                               ` Richard Biener
2016-04-19  9:53                                 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2016-04-19 14:06                                 ` Michael Matz
2016-04-19 15:37                                   ` Cary Coutant
2016-04-19 15:44                                     ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-19 15:52                                       ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-19 15:54                                         ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-19 15:58                                           ` Cary Coutant
2016-04-19 16:00                                             ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-19 15:54                                       ` Cary Coutant
2016-04-19 19:11                                   ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-19 20:17                                     ` Rich Felker
2016-04-19 21:03                                       ` Cary Coutant
2016-04-20 17:45                                     ` anonymous
2016-04-19 15:46                                 ` Alan Modra
2016-04-25 17:35                                 ` Jeff Law
2016-04-26  5:55                                   ` Alan Modra
2016-04-26  8:13                                     ` Jakub Jelinek
2016-04-18 17:05                         ` Cary Coutant
2016-03-31  0:40                 ` Preventing preemption of 'protected' symbols in GNU ld 2.26 Cary Coutant
2016-03-31  0:53                   ` Jeff Law
2016-03-31 13:27                     ` Ramana Radhakrishnan
2016-03-31 15:05                       ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-15 16:10                       ` Szabolcs Nagy
2016-04-01 19:51                   ` Jeff Law
2016-04-02  2:53                     ` Alan Modra
2016-04-19 19:47   ` Fwd: " Rich Felker

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