From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com (us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com [170.10.133.124]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9279E3858C83 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2022 14:19:04 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 sourceware.org 9279E3858C83 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=redhat.com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=redhat.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1664893144; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=yHYvzvVu9mB/Wx46PAwXnrVVwSl2auqj0RDUSbyaDTw=; b=NhrHv7tRKwMNQIaU+5igfKGhWgkYEH3JbYwgxZpKnMUHBAjlfpqs3ezjMLkZDioRbZyiL5 1FbnqTI+F/F3xeInJR5VQwoatlf3kR1QEp0ytve4XdhHTm7KO2vFOZILI78li6bVjx8klN fqyuG1pQpMJX4yosxfMpHS1bUbov1j0= Received: from mimecast-mx02.redhat.com (mimecast-mx02.redhat.com [66.187.233.88]) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP with STARTTLS (version=TLSv1.2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id us-mta-296-0q3pmof3MKaDwQURiZtKlw-1; Tue, 04 Oct 2022 10:19:02 -0400 X-MC-Unique: 0q3pmof3MKaDwQURiZtKlw-1 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx04.intmail.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com [10.11.54.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mimecast-mx02.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B32AF85530D; Tue, 4 Oct 2022 14:19:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from redhat.com (unknown [10.2.17.198]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 92C3B2027062; Tue, 4 Oct 2022 14:19:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fche by redhat.com with local (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1ofilA-0004T1-FF; Tue, 04 Oct 2022 10:19:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2022 10:19:00 -0400 From: "Frank Ch. Eigler" To: Overseers mailing list Cc: "Frank Ch. Eigler" , Siddhesh Poyarekar , gdb@sourceware.org, Mark Wielaard , libc-alpha@sourceware.org, binutils@sourceware.org, gcc@gcc.gnu.org Subject: Re: The GNU Toolchain Infrastructure Project Message-ID: <20221004141900.GA15858@redhat.com> References: <6f6d141b-b776-8707-2c91-dc38d20aa9e1@gotplt.org> <9ec804c9-1bbe-42ac-07a4-69df5c83b559@gotplt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9ec804c9-1bbe-42ac-07a4-69df5c83b559@gotplt.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.0 (2019-05-25) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 3.1 on 10.11.54.4 X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIMWL_WL_HIGH,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_NONE,TXREP autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: Hi - > > > [...] I think the LF proposal is the best long term way forward for > > > the GNU toolchain projects to remain competitive *and* Free. [...] > > > > Can you elaborate what risks in terms of competitiveness or freedom > > you foresee with the status quo? This is the first I recall hearing > > of this concern. > > I don't see a risk to freedom. The GNU toolchain is quite underfunded > compared to llvm/clang and IMO it's a major risk to maintain status quo on > that front. The GTI opens new avenues for funding aspects of the GNU > toolchain without affecting its core governance. What aspects of the gnu toolchain are open to being funded via the LF/GTI proposal, -other than- the vast majority of the funds being redirected to its own managed services infrastructure? - FChE