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From: Kaylee Blake <klkblake@gmail.com>
To: binutils@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: RFC: [PATCH] ELF: Don't require section header on ELF objects
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 01:37:30 +1030	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <240c206d-2cd8-af62-4a94-b0844ab7a94a@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87lfo98trq.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de>

On 10/3/20 1:22 am, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Kaylee Blake:
> 
>> On 9/3/20 11:59 pm, Florian Weimer wrote:
>>> * Kaylee Blake:
>>>
>>>>> I think that's conceptually the wrong thing to do for ELF, sorry.  If
>>>>> there is no section header, the object should be unlinkable.  The
>>>>> linker should not use the dynamic segment to locate the symbol
>>>>> information, only the dynamic section (in case the link ABI and
>>>>> run-time ABI are different).
>>>>
>>>> I'm confused by your comment about link and run-time ABIs differing;
>>>> surely if the ABI at runtime differs from the ABI at link time, you are
>>>> just going to crash at runtime?
>>>
>>> No, the typical application are fewer symbols in the DSO at link time
>>> than at load time, for example for linking against an older version of
>>> glibc than is installed on the system.
>>
>> How is that being done?
> 
> libc.so is replaced with something that contains a stub library which
> only exports the intended symbols, at the right versions.
> 
> If I recall correctly, some enterprise database products are linked
> using ld against such a stub library upon installation.  It's a bit
> weird for sure, but it's what people do.
> 
>> On my machine, the symbols in glibc found through the section header
>> are identical to the ones found through the dynamic array, except
>> that some of the latter are missing symbol versions, which I think
>> is due to this patch not looking them up?
> 
> Ah, didn't know that the compat symbols (those with @ symbol versions
> instead of @@ synbol versions) are not present in .symtab.  That makes
> sense, given that they are not supposed to be linked against for new
> binaries.  We should definitely keep hiding symbols which lack a
> default symbol version.

Oh, I think I was unclear. They contain the same set of symbols, but
readelf reports the name of the symbol without any @version or @@version
suffix if reading from the dynamic array.

-- 
Kaylee Blake <klkblake@gmail.com>
C is the worst language, except for all the others.

  reply	other threads:[~2020-03-09 15:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-08 17:59 H.J. Lu
2020-03-08 18:06 ` H.J. Lu
2020-03-08 23:35   ` Alan Modra
2020-03-08 23:46     ` H.J. Lu
2020-03-09  0:02       ` H.J. Lu
2020-03-09  0:02       ` Kaylee Blake
2020-03-09  0:05       ` Alan Modra
2020-03-09  1:36         ` H.J. Lu
2020-03-09  1:59           ` Kaylee Blake
2020-03-09  2:23             ` Alan Modra
2020-03-09  2:35               ` H.J. Lu
2020-03-09  4:14                 ` H.J. Lu
2020-03-09  4:59                   ` Kaylee Blake
2020-03-09 11:56                 ` Alan Modra
2020-03-08 23:24 ` Kaylee Blake
2020-03-08 23:29   ` H.J. Lu
2020-03-08 23:38     ` Alan Modra
2020-03-08 23:45       ` H.J. Lu
2020-03-12  2:14         ` Fangrui Song
2020-03-09  8:13 ` Florian Weimer
2020-03-09 12:54   ` Kaylee Blake
2020-03-09 13:06     ` Florian Weimer
2020-03-09 13:14       ` Kaylee Blake
2020-03-09 13:16         ` Florian Weimer
2020-03-09 13:28           ` Kaylee Blake
2020-03-09 13:29             ` Florian Weimer
2020-03-09 13:45               ` Kaylee Blake
2020-03-09 13:54                 ` H.J. Lu
2020-03-09 14:02                   ` Kaylee Blake
2020-03-09 14:52                 ` Florian Weimer
2020-03-09 15:07                   ` Kaylee Blake [this message]
2020-03-09 15:29                     ` Florian Weimer
2020-03-09 13:44     ` Alan Modra
2020-03-09 13:54       ` Kaylee Blake
2020-03-09 22:34         ` Alan Modra
2020-03-10  0:14           ` H.J. Lu
2020-03-09 14:34       ` Michael Matz

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