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From: Cary Coutant <ccoutant@gmail.com>
To: "H.J. Lu" <hjl.tools@gmail.com>
Cc: Joe Groff <jgroff@apple.com>, Alan Modra <amodra@gmail.com>,
		Binutils <binutils@sourceware.org>
Subject: Re: Preventing preemption of 'protected' symbols in GNU ld 2.26
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 01:46:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJimCsHfT=cfb4kZysB2W_1HFfOq==TpP=wa47XPGB41MHmGyQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMe9rOqNcYnm1YocG-m7XNDE0g68YQAGe=ULP-G98gaatpxSeA@mail.gmail.com>

>> However, protected doesn't work this way in older binutils, or with alternative tools like llvm or gold, and it sounds like protected was never intended to work this way either. Rather If gcc is interested in pursuing this optimization, it seems more responsible to me they could investigate introducing language-level annotations that let libraries opt into the optimization, instead of unilaterally breaking things for other binutils clients and introducing new complexity to get back to the original behavior.
>>
>
> Protected symbol never worked correctly on x86 before.  My
> change closed a few long-standing bugs.  There is no going-back.

You keep countering my arguments with assertions like, "it was a bug
and I fixed it," but you present no arguments of your own to support
your position. I'm not sure what long-standing bugs you're referring
to -- the only one I can find, PR target/65248 [1], was filed by you
yourself, so you can't really use that as support. In fact, PR
ld/15228 [2], was filed against ld for *not* refusing to make a COPY
relocation to a protected symbol, and Alan fixed that. Gold has the
same bug, and I intend to fix it there, too.

You have effectively made protected symbols "work" by disabling the
very thing they were designed to do. I don't know how to point out the
absurdity any more clearly.

<reductio ad absurdum>
By your logic, you should make GCC generate PIC code by default and
turn -fno-pic into a no-op, because non-PIC code doesn't "work" in a
shared library. (Ironically, that would actually make protected
symbols work again without your changes.) Over the years, I've heard
many complaints from developers that they couldn't put code into a
shared library without compiling it with a special option. When you
first heard that complaint, why wasn't your response to change the
compiler? Isn't that the only way to make shared libraries "work"?
</reductio ad absurdum>

-cary

[1] https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=65248

[2] https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=15228

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-03-30  1:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <AB592ABD-D6D7-4D2F-A0D6-45738F168DC4@apple.com>
2016-03-29 19:31 ` Fwd: " Joe Groff
2016-03-29 19:33   ` H.J. Lu
2016-03-29 19:36     ` Joe Groff
2016-03-29 19:43       ` H.J. Lu
2016-03-29 19:51         ` Joe Groff
2016-03-29 19:54           ` H.J. Lu
2016-03-29 22:05             ` H.J. Lu
2016-03-30  1:44             ` Alan Modra
2016-03-30  1:46             ` Cary Coutant [this message]
2016-03-30  4:04               ` Jeff Law
2016-03-30  7:20                 ` Cary Coutant
2016-03-30  7:34                   ` Cary Coutant
2016-03-30 14:44                 ` Alan Modra
2016-03-31  0:45                   ` Cary Coutant
2016-04-15 21:49                   ` Preventing preemption of 'protected' symbols in GNU ld 2.26 [aka should we revert the fix for 65248] Jeff Law
2016-04-15 21:56                     ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-18  9:02                       ` Richard Biener
2016-04-18 14:49                         ` Alan Modra
2016-04-18 14:59                           ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-18 17:04                             ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2016-04-18 17:09                               ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-18 17:24                                 ` Michael Matz
2016-04-18 17:27                                   ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-18 18:52                                     ` Jakub Jelinek
2016-04-18 19:28                                       ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-18 17:55                                   ` Cary Coutant
2016-04-25 17:24                                     ` Jeff Law
2016-04-25 17:31                                       ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-18 17:57                                   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2016-04-19  5:08                             ` Alan Modra
2016-04-19  8:20                               ` Richard Biener
2016-04-19  9:53                                 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2016-04-19 14:06                                 ` Michael Matz
2016-04-19 15:37                                   ` Cary Coutant
2016-04-19 15:44                                     ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-19 15:52                                       ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-19 15:54                                         ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-19 15:58                                           ` Cary Coutant
2016-04-19 16:00                                             ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-19 15:54                                       ` Cary Coutant
2016-04-19 19:11                                   ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-19 20:17                                     ` Rich Felker
2016-04-19 21:03                                       ` Cary Coutant
2016-04-20 17:45                                     ` anonymous
2016-04-19 15:46                                 ` Alan Modra
2016-04-25 17:35                                 ` Jeff Law
2016-04-26  5:55                                   ` Alan Modra
2016-04-26  8:13                                     ` Jakub Jelinek
2016-04-18 17:05                         ` Cary Coutant
2016-03-31  0:40                 ` Preventing preemption of 'protected' symbols in GNU ld 2.26 Cary Coutant
2016-03-31  0:53                   ` Jeff Law
2016-03-31 13:27                     ` Ramana Radhakrishnan
2016-03-31 15:05                       ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-15 16:10                       ` Szabolcs Nagy
2016-04-01 19:51                   ` Jeff Law
2016-04-02  2:53                     ` Alan Modra
2016-04-19 19:47   ` Fwd: " Rich Felker
2016-04-15 16:16 H.J. Lu
2016-04-15 16:36 ` Jeff Law
2016-04-15 16:45   ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-15 16:43 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2016-04-15 23:59   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2016-04-16  1:08     ` Szabolcs Nagy
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-03-24  0:00 Joe Groff
2016-03-24  0:45 ` H.J. Lu
2016-03-24  0:52   ` Joe Groff
2016-03-24  1:25     ` H.J. Lu
2016-03-24 15:01 ` Cary Coutant
2016-03-24 15:07   ` H.J. Lu
2016-03-24 16:06     ` Cary Coutant
2016-03-24 16:42       ` H.J. Lu
2016-03-24 16:56         ` Cary Coutant
2016-03-24 17:05           ` H.J. Lu
2016-03-24 17:06             ` Joe Groff
2016-03-24 17:09               ` H.J. Lu
2016-03-24 18:31                 ` Cary Coutant
2016-03-27 16:26                   ` Rafael Espíndola
2016-03-28 12:12                   ` H.J. Lu
2016-03-28 22:12                     ` Cary Coutant
     [not found]                     ` <BC969B3B-87A2-4238-90C8-DA2E166707AF@apple.com>
2016-03-28 17:03                       ` Joe Groff
2016-03-28 17:17                       ` H.J. Lu
2016-03-28 22:22                       ` Cary Coutant
2016-03-28 22:24                         ` Joe Groff
2016-03-28 22:38                           ` Cary Coutant
2016-03-28 22:41                             ` Joe Groff
2016-03-28 23:21                             ` Alan Modra
2016-03-29  0:29                               ` Cary Coutant
2016-03-29 15:44                               ` H.J. Lu
2016-03-29 12:40                   ` Maciej W. Rozycki

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