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From: "H.J. Lu" <hjl.tools@gmail.com>
To: Joe Groff <jgroff@apple.com>
Cc: Alan Modra <amodra@gmail.com>, Cary Coutant <ccoutant@gmail.com>,
		Binutils <binutils@sourceware.org>
Subject: Re: Preventing preemption of 'protected' symbols in GNU ld 2.26
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2016 19:33:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMe9rOq6rmvH458nufzfZnnU_=_n1yysbLzERNy-LWvEmjmN1A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BEDD88C6-7F80-45DA-9021-10587244AAE5@apple.com>

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Joe Groff <jgroff@apple.com> wrote:
> On Mar 29, 2016, at 8:44 AM, H.J. Lu <hjl.tools@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Alan Modra <amodra@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 03:38:01PM -0700, Cary Coutant wrote:
>>>>>>> Did you look at what the costs were in startup time and dirty pages by using
>>>>>>> copy relocations? What do you do if the size of the definition changes in a
>>>>>>> new version of the library?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There wouldn't be a measurable cost in dirty pages; the copied objects
>>>>>> are simply allocated in bss in the executable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wouldn't references to the symbol from within the .so need to be relocated to reference the now-canonical copy in the executable?
>>>>
>>>> No, references from within the .so would have always used the GOT.
>>>> Non-protected global symbols in a shared library are still
>>>> pre-emptible, so they are always indirect, and there's always a
>>>> dynamic relocation for the GOT entry. Whether the prevailing
>>>> definition winds up in the executable or the shared library, the
>>>> dynamic loader still has to bind the symbol and apply the relocation.
>>>
>>> HJ's changes to protected visibility meant compiler changes so that
>>> protected visibility in shared libraries is no longer seen as local.
>>> So yes, protected visibility symbols in shared libraries now go
>>> through the GOT.  Prior to his changes, they were optimized to a
>>> pc-relative access.  Joe is correct in pointing out that shared
>>> libraries needed a change.  Bad luck if you're using an older
>>> compiler.  Also bad luck if you want to use protected visibility to
>>> optimize your shared library.
>>>
>>> HJ also made glibc ld.so changes to ensure the semantics of protected
>>> visibility symbols remain unchanged when multiple shared libraries
>>> define the same protected visibility symbol.
>>>
>>> Apparently most people in the gcc and glibc communities saw these
>>> toolchain modifications as fiendishly clever.
>>>
>>
>> As I said before, copy relocation and protected symbol are fundamentally
>> incompatible.  Since copy relocation is the part of x86 psABIs, I updated
>> GCC, glibc and ld to make protected symbol to work with copy relocation.
>> That is protected symbol may be external, but won't be preempted.  The
>> price I paid is that protected symbol won't be accessed via PC-relative
>> relocation within the shared object.  To access protected symbol via
>> PC-relative relocation within the shared object, we need to disable copy
>> relocation in executable, which is a psABI change.  That is why I proposed
>> to mark the object as such so that we won't get surprise at run-time.
>
> I think what Cary's arguing (and I honestly would expect) is that copying the protected symbol *is* for all intents and purposes a preemption. I'd expect copy relocations against protected symbols to be linker errors. I guess what's missing for gcc's intended optimization is an indication to the compiler that a symbol is protected in its home library, to suppress emitting PC-relative references to a copy relocation.

That is what I meant by "That is why I proposed to mark the object as such so
that we won't get surprise at run-time."


-- 
H.J.

  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-29 19:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <AB592ABD-D6D7-4D2F-A0D6-45738F168DC4@apple.com>
2016-03-29 19:31 ` Fwd: " Joe Groff
2016-03-29 19:33   ` H.J. Lu [this message]
2016-03-29 19:36     ` Joe Groff
2016-03-29 19:43       ` H.J. Lu
2016-03-29 19:51         ` Joe Groff
2016-03-29 19:54           ` H.J. Lu
2016-03-29 22:05             ` H.J. Lu
2016-03-30  1:44             ` Alan Modra
2016-03-30  1:46             ` Cary Coutant
2016-03-30  4:04               ` Jeff Law
2016-03-30  7:20                 ` Cary Coutant
2016-03-30  7:34                   ` Cary Coutant
2016-03-30 14:44                 ` Alan Modra
2016-03-31  0:45                   ` Cary Coutant
2016-04-15 21:49                   ` Preventing preemption of 'protected' symbols in GNU ld 2.26 [aka should we revert the fix for 65248] Jeff Law
2016-04-15 21:56                     ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-18  9:02                       ` Richard Biener
2016-04-18 14:49                         ` Alan Modra
2016-04-18 14:59                           ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-18 17:04                             ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2016-04-18 17:09                               ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-18 17:24                                 ` Michael Matz
2016-04-18 17:27                                   ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-18 18:52                                     ` Jakub Jelinek
2016-04-18 19:28                                       ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-18 17:55                                   ` Cary Coutant
2016-04-25 17:24                                     ` Jeff Law
2016-04-25 17:31                                       ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-18 17:57                                   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2016-04-19  5:08                             ` Alan Modra
2016-04-19  8:20                               ` Richard Biener
2016-04-19  9:53                                 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2016-04-19 14:06                                 ` Michael Matz
2016-04-19 15:37                                   ` Cary Coutant
2016-04-19 15:44                                     ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-19 15:52                                       ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-19 15:54                                         ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-19 15:58                                           ` Cary Coutant
2016-04-19 16:00                                             ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-19 15:54                                       ` Cary Coutant
2016-04-19 19:11                                   ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-19 20:17                                     ` Rich Felker
2016-04-19 21:03                                       ` Cary Coutant
2016-04-20 17:45                                     ` anonymous
2016-04-19 15:46                                 ` Alan Modra
2016-04-25 17:35                                 ` Jeff Law
2016-04-26  5:55                                   ` Alan Modra
2016-04-26  8:13                                     ` Jakub Jelinek
2016-04-18 17:05                         ` Cary Coutant
2016-03-31  0:40                 ` Preventing preemption of 'protected' symbols in GNU ld 2.26 Cary Coutant
2016-03-31  0:53                   ` Jeff Law
2016-03-31 13:27                     ` Ramana Radhakrishnan
2016-03-31 15:05                       ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-15 16:10                       ` Szabolcs Nagy
2016-04-01 19:51                   ` Jeff Law
2016-04-02  2:53                     ` Alan Modra
2016-04-19 19:47   ` Fwd: " Rich Felker
2016-04-15 16:16 H.J. Lu
2016-04-15 16:36 ` Jeff Law
2016-04-15 16:45   ` H.J. Lu
2016-04-15 16:43 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2016-04-15 23:59   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2016-04-16  1:08     ` Szabolcs Nagy
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-03-24  0:00 Joe Groff
2016-03-24  0:45 ` H.J. Lu
2016-03-24  0:52   ` Joe Groff
2016-03-24  1:25     ` H.J. Lu
2016-03-24 15:01 ` Cary Coutant
2016-03-24 15:07   ` H.J. Lu
2016-03-24 16:06     ` Cary Coutant
2016-03-24 16:42       ` H.J. Lu
2016-03-24 16:56         ` Cary Coutant
2016-03-24 17:05           ` H.J. Lu
2016-03-24 17:06             ` Joe Groff
2016-03-24 17:09               ` H.J. Lu
2016-03-24 18:31                 ` Cary Coutant
2016-03-27 16:26                   ` Rafael Espíndola
2016-03-28 12:12                   ` H.J. Lu
2016-03-28 22:12                     ` Cary Coutant
     [not found]                     ` <BC969B3B-87A2-4238-90C8-DA2E166707AF@apple.com>
2016-03-28 17:03                       ` Joe Groff
2016-03-28 17:17                       ` H.J. Lu
2016-03-28 22:22                       ` Cary Coutant
2016-03-28 22:24                         ` Joe Groff
2016-03-28 22:38                           ` Cary Coutant
2016-03-28 22:41                             ` Joe Groff
2016-03-28 23:21                             ` Alan Modra
2016-03-29  0:29                               ` Cary Coutant
2016-03-29 15:44                               ` H.J. Lu
2016-03-29 12:40                   ` Maciej W. Rozycki

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