From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from elastic.org (elastic.org [96.126.110.187]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2267F3858CDA; Tue, 4 Oct 2022 15:07:38 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 sourceware.org 2267F3858CDA Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=pass (p=quarantine dis=none) header.from=elastic.org Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=elastic.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=elastic.org ; s=default2; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID: Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=lqaEZDE8zx+Ap6scZ9E3hKVGt7IZoWzfAffnz57fAGE=; b=k8PkUThuATdiuPGhJAzpHaQ7bk y6X5koeGVbMnpETBwfVF7vF9F9wV495XTqV4e1kqz9OUU5YybWnzkp1QWBiqtPwlR0vgopPSGg53u qXfaYJ3BlqEYhkLKdSGZy4TgwhyFNICx6uo5CkwNBQefUpmyjTIS8Yjxo0USL54p86IyEiSSaASwQ o7ShxBcBHKLgxt4Qtqw1hszakxqkLv6tcEP5RNE1TO6tzSSqlfCHniqETzj1P7uwXR6I1QI14BSXq Nn/VkdkThVnJtC3u4qjuao0647ZIkO46dDe3uZ7jR1tqaTOx4ANF0cyFkDBZgBGUGq3AwGYLE8PUs 8mSVEOYg==; Received: from vpn-home.elastic.org ([10.0.0.2] helo=elastic.org) by elastic.org with esmtps (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1ofjW7-00081V-2h; Tue, 04 Oct 2022 15:07:31 +0000 Received: from very.elastic.org ([192.168.1.1]) by elastic.org with esmtp (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1ofjW7-000NZR-1k; Tue, 04 Oct 2022 11:07:31 -0400 Received: from fche by very.elastic.org with local (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1ofjW7-00E5pl-1Y; Tue, 04 Oct 2022 11:07:31 -0400 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2022 11:07:31 -0400 From: "Frank Ch. Eigler" To: Siddhesh Poyarekar Cc: "Frank Ch. Eigler" , Overseers mailing list , gdb@sourceware.org, Mark Wielaard , libc-alpha@sourceware.org, binutils@sourceware.org, gcc@gcc.gnu.org Subject: Re: The GNU Toolchain Infrastructure Project Message-ID: References: <6f6d141b-b776-8707-2c91-dc38d20aa9e1@gotplt.org> <9ec804c9-1bbe-42ac-07a4-69df5c83b559@gotplt.org> <20221004141900.GA15858@redhat.com> <20221004144114.GB15858@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Sender-Verification: "" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS,TXREP,USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: Hi - > > I'm afraid I don't understand then what the point of comparing to LLVM > > with respect to competitiveness or freedom was. AIUI, infrastructure > > is an enabler, not really a competitive differentiator. > > I suppose that's a difference in our perception then. I think of > infrastructure as an accelerator and not just an enabler, which > makes it a serious competitive differentiator. Okay, we'd love to hear ideas for infrastructure changes that would result in accelerating your work as developers. - FChE