From: Ben Boeckel <ben.boeckel@kitware.com>
To: Benson Muite <benson_muite@emailplus.org>
Cc: Overseers mailing list <overseers@sourceware.org>,
Mark Wielaard <mark@klomp.org>, Jeff Law <jeffreyalaw@gmail.com>,
Joseph Myers <josmyers@redhat.com>,
libc-alpha@sourceware.org, Jason Merrill <jason@redhat.com>,
gcc@gcc.gnu.org, gdb@sourceware.org,
Sergio Durigan Junior <sergiodj@sergiodj.net>,
binutils@sourceware.org, Tom Tromey <tom@tromey.com>
Subject: Re: Updated Sourceware infrastructure plans
Date: Mon, 6 May 2024 09:58:41 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZjjiESnoQbpoY9cR@farprobe> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ba50fa0b-79d3-9361-362b-e24d6f7692c8@emailplus.org>
On Sun, May 05, 2024 at 08:22:12 +0300, Benson Muite wrote:
> On 04/05/2024 22.56, Ben Boeckel via Overseers wrote:
> > As a fellow FOSS maintainer I definitely appreciate the benefit of being
> > email-based (`mutt` is far better at wrangling notifications from
> > umpteen places than…well basically any website is at even their own),
> > but as a *contributor* it is utterly opaque. It's not always clear if my
> > patch has been seen, if it is waiting on maintainer time, or for me to
> > do something. After one review, what is the courtesy time before pushing
> > a new patchset to avoid a review "crossing in the night" as I push more
> > patches? Did I get everyone that commented on the patch the first time
> > in the Cc list properly? Is a discussion considered resolved (FWIW,
> > Github is annoying with its conversation resolution behavior IMO;
> > GitLab's explicit closing is much better). Has it been merged? To the
> > right place? And that's for patches I author; figuring out the status of
> > patches I'm interested in but not the author of is even harder. A forge
> > surfaces a lot of this information pretty well and, to me, GitLab at
> > least offers usable enough email messages (e.g., discussions on threads
> > will thread in email too) that the public tracking of such things is far
> > more useful on the whole.
>
> This is an area that also needs standardization of important
> functionality. Some method of archiving the content is also helpful -
> email does this well but typically does not offer dashboard. Sourcehut
> makes reading threads using the web interface very easy.
The other thing that email makes difficult to do: jump in on an existing
discussion without having been subscribed previously. I mean, I know
how to tell `mutt` to set an `In-Reply-To` header and munge a proper
reply by hand once I find a `Message-Id` (though a fully proper
`References` header is usually way too much work to be worth it), but
this is not something I expect others to be able to easily perform.
> Web interfaces are difficult to automate, but friendlier for occasional
> use and encouraging new contributions. Tools separate from the version
> control system such as Gerrit, Phabricator, Rhode Code and Review Board
> also enable discussion management and overview.
Note that forges tend to have very rich APIs. It's certainly not as easy
as clicking around manually for one-off tasks or setting up a shell
pipeline to process some emails, but building automation isn't
impossible.
--Ben
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-05-06 13:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-04-17 23:27 Mark Wielaard
2024-04-18 6:04 ` Thomas Koenig
2024-04-18 8:14 ` FX Coudert
2024-04-18 9:01 ` Christophe Lyon
2024-04-18 11:38 ` Janne Blomqvist
2024-04-18 12:01 ` Generated files in libgfortran for Fortran intrinsic procedures (was: Updated Sourceware infrastructure plans) Tobias Burnus
2024-04-18 12:32 ` Martin Uecker
2024-04-19 9:35 ` Updated Sourceware infrastructure plans Jonathan Wakely
2024-04-18 15:56 ` Joseph Myers
2024-04-18 17:37 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2024-04-18 17:54 ` Joseph Myers
2024-04-18 18:29 ` Matt Rice
2024-04-22 15:39 ` Tom Tromey
2024-04-23 2:55 ` Jason Merrill
2024-04-23 3:12 ` Simon Marchi
2024-04-23 3:24 ` Tom Tromey
2024-04-23 3:51 ` Jason Merrill
2024-04-23 8:56 ` Mark Wielaard
2024-04-23 9:39 ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2024-04-23 15:08 ` Tom Tromey
2024-04-23 15:25 ` Simon Marchi
2024-04-24 8:49 ` Aktemur, Tankut Baris
2024-04-23 4:06 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2024-04-23 9:30 ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2024-04-23 13:51 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2024-05-01 19:15 ` Jeff Law
2024-05-01 19:38 ` Jonathan Wakely
2024-05-01 20:20 ` Mark Wielaard
2024-05-01 20:53 ` Tom Tromey
2024-05-01 21:04 ` Simon Marchi
2024-05-02 15:35 ` Pedro Alves
2024-05-02 23:05 ` Fangrui Song
[not found] ` <DS7PR12MB57651DA3A5C22B2847C13580CB182@DS7PR12MB5765.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
2024-05-07 16:17 ` Joseph Myers
2024-05-10 10:43 ` Ben Boeckel
2024-05-01 20:04 ` Jason Merrill
2024-05-01 21:26 ` Mark Wielaard
2024-05-01 22:01 ` Sergio Durigan Junior
2024-05-02 12:54 ` Claudio Bantaloukas
2024-05-02 15:33 ` Pedro Alves
2024-05-03 2:59 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2024-05-04 19:56 ` Ben Boeckel
2024-05-05 5:22 ` Benson Muite
2024-05-06 13:58 ` Ben Boeckel [this message]
2024-05-07 16:26 ` Joseph Myers
2024-05-01 21:38 ` Jeff Law
2024-05-02 6:47 ` Richard Biener
2024-05-02 11:29 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2024-05-02 14:26 ` Simon Marchi
2024-05-02 11:45 ` Mark Wielaard
2024-05-01 22:56 ` Tom Tromey
2024-04-23 10:34 ` Florian Weimer
2024-04-22 10:01 ` Mark Wielaard
2024-04-22 13:23 ` Joseph Myers
2024-04-19 9:33 ` Jonathan Wakely
2024-04-22 10:24 ` Mark Wielaard
2024-04-22 11:40 ` Jonathan Wakely
2024-04-23 0:48 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
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