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From: Michael Matz <matz@suse.de>
To: "Richard Earnshaw (lists)" <Richard.Earnshaw@arm.com>
Cc: binutils@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] PR30437 aarch64: make RELA relocs idempotent
Date: Thu, 25 May 2023 14:12:04 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LSU.2.20.2305251357390.13548@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2856489e-2127-8ab9-4902-6b8c6ea343bd@arm.com>

Hello,

On Thu, 25 May 2023, Richard Earnshaw (lists) wrote:

> I'd be surprised if even that is totally correct.  ELF permits 
> relocations of a single 'place' to be chained provided that they are of 
> the same type (all REL or all RELA); not that I've ever seen that done 
> in practice.  When this is done the addend for the second and subsequent 
> relocations use the result of the previous relocation - they must be 
> processed in order.  Only the last relocation in a sequence writes a 
> value back to the location being relocated.
> 
> So really, we shouldn't need two tables, we just need to know where to 
> get the addend value from at the start of a chain.

Sort of, except ... it's not just for a chain of relocs (to the same 
place) steming from a single input file, but also about the similar 
situation when the same place is relocated multiple times due to 'ld -r' 
or pre-existing (non-zero) section content in an input file to a final 
link.  In this situation it's not easily determined what's the start of a 
reloc chain.

I still agree with you that abstractly multiple howto tables shouldn't be 
needed, because RELA relocs _always_ should ignore section content on 
read-in, and hence the reloc routines could simply special-case the 
RELA/REL distinction by just not looking at src_mask or partial_inplace 
for RELA relocs.  It's just that BFD isn't structured in this way.  
The internal representation of relocs always has an addend, no matter if 
it comes from read-in section contents or a RELA reloc, and the 
information of where it came from is lost (and section content isn't 
zeroed on read-in for REL relocs, when transferring the addend to the bfd 
reloc structure).  So, to get this all somewhat working correctly right 
now multiple howto entries are necessary (or special-casing target 
reloc-swap-in and swap-out routines).

I'm totally sure, once one tries to _really_ start mixing REL and RELA 
relocs in a link, at the latest when ld -r and/or other toolchains are 
involved, that a heap of bugs will be uncovered :-)

(And of course, it's always possible that REL relocations cannot always be 
used to achieve idempotence even in presence of 'ld -r', in which case 
RELA must be used.  The aarch64 psABI thankfully even spells this out.)


Ciao,
Michael.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-05-25 14:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-10 14:04 Michael Matz
2023-05-17 14:35 ` Nick Clifton
2023-05-24 15:26 ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2023-05-24 16:03   ` Michael Matz
2023-05-25  9:35     ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2023-05-25 12:29       ` Michael Matz
2023-05-25 13:22         ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2023-05-25 14:12           ` Michael Matz [this message]
2023-05-25 15:56             ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2023-05-25 16:01               ` Michael Matz
2023-05-24 22:54   ` Alan Modra

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