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From: Ian Lance Taylor <ian@airs.com>
To: Zack Weinberg <zack@codesourcery.com>
Cc: binutils@sources.redhat.com, black@ieee.org
Subject: Re: [BUG] ld behavior varies for C++ static initializer depending on .a or .o input
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 23:15:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m34r52dm58.fsf@gossamer.airs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87he92ngiz.fsf@egil.codesourcery.com>

Zack Weinberg <zack@codesourcery.com> writes:

> Ian Lance Taylor <ian@airs.com> writes:
> 
> > Hal Black <black@ieee.org> writes:
> >> Yes.  That's the desired behavior.  If a developer were to develop a
> >> library with a static initializer with side-effects, it would be
> >> something that should be called whenever that library was used.
> >
> > No Unix linker has ever worked that way.
> >
> > Basically, you misunderstand how ld and ar work.  If you feel that you
> > have been misled by existing documentation, please let us know so that
> > we can fix it.
> 
> I'd like to point out that while this is true for static (.a)
> libraries, it is not true for shared (.so) libraries -- the linker
> generates DT_NEEDED entries for every shared library on the command
> line, whether or not they satisfy undefined symbols.  Personally I
> consider this a bug.

I think that one is debatable.  It's certainly true that shared
libraries and archive libraries don't work the same way; as you say,
one obvious difference is in fact the very one we are talking
about--all static initializers in a shared library are run, whether
they are required or not.  There are a number of other
differences--only in simple case can you just replace a .a file with a
.so file.

I think the general attitude of linker implementors has been that if
you list a shared library on the command line, you must want it in
there.  That is, a .so file is in that sense more like a .o file than
a .a file.

But I agree that it could be argued the other way.  I don't know of
any ELF linker which does not generate a DT_NEEDED for a .so listed on
the command line, but perhaps there is one.

Ian

  reply	other threads:[~2003-04-13 23:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-04-11  3:43 Hal Black
2003-04-11  4:47 ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-04-12  4:01   ` Hal Black
2003-04-12  5:43     ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-04-12 14:24       ` Hal Black
2003-04-12 16:52         ` Ian Lance Taylor
2003-04-12 18:01           ` Hal Black
2003-04-12 20:45             ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-04-13  2:11               ` Hal Black
2003-04-14 18:41                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-04-13 22:55             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2003-04-13 23:07               ` Zack Weinberg
2003-04-13 23:15                 ` Ian Lance Taylor [this message]
2003-04-13 23:26                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2003-04-14  5:14               ` Hal Black
2003-04-14  5:30                 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2003-04-11  8:16 ` Alan Modra

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