Setup.exe

Setup.exe

[Me]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 896 bytes --]

Ya know - I'd like to see a slightly different (more useful packaging) selected as default for the setup.exe .

Many people come along asking - where can I get a free c++ compiler for windows (or specifically GCC compiler for windows) so natuarlly I refer them to sources.redhat.com/cygwin, and then spend the next hour telling them they need to select GCC, Binutils, win32api, mingw32 in addtion to the things selected... should be able to download setup, go next, next next next next, double click cygwin... run gcc, make and have it be able to build both windows apps (-mno-cygwin) and cygwin unix-emulation apps.  supporting as much as is needed for your baseic ./confugre, make is not really neccesary - mostly it's students who use GCC at their school, and would like to work on homework.

If this is not the appropriate place to send this, can someone please forward this?  

Jim


[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1554 bytes --]

Re: Setup.exe

[Christopher Faylor]

On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 07:06:19AM -0800, Me wrote:
>Ya know - I'd like to see a slightly different (more useful packaging)
>selected as default for the setup.exe .
>
>Many people come along asking - where can I get a free c++ compiler for
>windows (or specifically GCC compiler for windows) so natuarlly I refer
>them to sources.redhat.com/cygwin, and then spend the next hour telling
>them they need to select GCC, Binutils, win32api, mingw32 in addtion to
>the things selected...  should be able to download setup, go next, next
>next next next, double click cygwin...  run gcc, make and have it be
>able to build both windows apps (-mno-cygwin) and cygwin unix-emulation
>apps.  supporting as much as is needed for your baseic ./confugre, make
>is not really neccesary - mostly it's students who use GCC at their
>school, and would like to work on homework.

When installing, tell them to click on "Devel" then click on "gcc" and
"make".  If they want to debug, click on "gdb".  That's all that they
need to do.

Since not everyone who uses cygwin is a programmer, we're not going
to include gcc as part of the base any more than we are going to include
all of the image processing utilities for people who want to play with
images.

>If this is not the appropriate place to send this, can someone please
>forward this?

It's appropriate here but you might want to avail yourself of previous
discussions about this in both this and the cygwin@cygwin.com mailing
list.

cgf

RE: Setup.exe

[Igor Pechtchanski]

Yuk, top-posting.  Reformatted.

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005, Soong, SylokeJ wrote:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cygwin-apps-owner@XXXXXX.XXX
> [mailto:cygwin-apps-owner@XXXXXX.XXX]On Behalf Of Dave Korn
> Sent: Tue, June 14, 2005 11:10 AM
> To: cygwin-apps@XXXXXX.XXX

<http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#PCYMTNQREAIYR>.  Thanks.  You may also find
<http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#TOFU> enlightening...

> Subject: Setup.exe
>
> > [snip irrelevant message]

...especially since the content of that message was completely irrelevant
to what you said.

> I used cygwin for the first time since three years ago when it seemed
> quite different from now. It could have been longer.
>
> I find the intention of the interface commendable but its implementation
> confusing.
>
> Normally, I choose FTP over HTTP for downloading. That's a mistake here,
> because the cygwin setup UI made me spend 15 minutes choosing and
> unchoosing. The FTP connection timed out a few times. Setup.exe would
> not renew the connection. I had to restart setup.exe. So it's pointless
> to have FTP mirrors when setup.exe make them (to use an oft overused
> adjective/adverb, virtually) inaccessible. I put on a computer gaming
> warrior attitude trying to race my selecting/deselecting download items
> against the FTP time-out (How to play computer games in the office under
> your bosses' noses without them realising). I finally admitted defeat
> and switched to HTTP download to enable me to continue towards a more
> responsible life-style in the office.

Though I did enjoy the writing style.  As for renewing FTP connections --
<http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#PTC>.  Same goes for rsync.

> If you had used real.com starz movie download, you could unselect/cancel
> items while the download is going on. I had to stop and restart
> setup.exe a few times yesterday because, I suddenly realised I didn't
> want gnomes or ghosts which would have increased my download time by a
> quarter. A HTML set of forms with explanatory links to select/unselect
> items and then a final checkout list. The checkout list has dependencies
> listed, with unselected dependencies warnings. Also with file sizes so
> that I could return to select/unselect to meet my total download size
> budget I had in mind.

Heh, a Cygwin shopping cart, with a checkout?  Might actually work.

Who's first in line to implement the "Add to Cart" button? ;-)
	Igor
-- 
				http://cs.nyu.edu/~pechtcha/
      |\      _,,,---,,_		pechtcha@cs.nyu.edu
ZZZzz /,`.-'`'    -.  ;-;;,_		igor@watson.ibm.com
     |,4-  ) )-,_. ,\ (  `'-'		Igor Pechtchanski, Ph.D.
    '---''(_/--'  `-'\_) fL	a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-.  Meow!

"The Sun will pass between the Earth and the Moon tonight for a total
Lunar eclipse..." -- WCBS Radio Newsbrief, Oct 27 2004, 12:01 pm EDT

RE: Setup.exe

[Soong, SylokeJ]

I used cygwin for the first time since three years ago when it seemed quite
different from now. It could have been longer.

I find the intention of the interface commendable but its implementation
confusing.

Normally, I choose FTP over HTTP for downloading. That's a mistake here,
because the cygwin setup UI made me spend 15 minutes choosing and
unchoosing. The FTP connection timed out a few times. Setup.exe would not
renew the connection. I had to restart setup.exe. So it's pointless to have
FTP mirrors when setup.exe make them (to use an oft overused
adjective/adverb, virtually) inaccessible. I put on a computer gaming
warrior attitude trying to race my selecting/deselecting download items
against the FTP time-out (How to play computer games in the office under
your bosses' noses without them realising). I finally admitted defeat and
switched to HTTP download to enable me to continue towards a more
responsible life-style in the office.

If you had used real.com starz movie download, you could unselect/cancel
items while the download is going on. I had to stop and restart setup.exe a
few times yesterday because, I suddenly realised I didn't want gnomes or
ghosts which would have increased my download time by a quarter. A HTML set
of forms with explanatory links to select/unselect items and then a final
checkout list. The checkout list has dependencies listed, with unselected
dependencies warnings. Also with file sizes so that I could return to
select/unselect to meet my total download size budget I had in mind.

~ I believe in God and his Prophet Charles Darwin ~

-----Original Message-----
From: cygwin-apps-owner@cygwin.com
[mailto:cygwin-apps-owner@cygwin.com]On Behalf Of Dave Korn
Sent: Tue, June 14, 2005 11:10 AM
To: cygwin-apps@cygwin.com
Subject: Setup.exe



    Hi Max, Brian, et al.  (Hi Al!)

  Is the new version of setup coming from HEAD or from the old release
branch?  I notice that most of the recent changes appear to be on mainline,
but don't know if they're on the branch too.  As a side issue, is it really
worth releasing from branches for this application?  It's not like we want
to carry on maintaining old versions for years the way we do with gcc or
binutils, so I can't see a great deal of value in it myself, but other
people's M may of course V.

  The reason I ask is because, at least on mainline, I just noticed that the
V scrollbar on the chooser page doesn't get resized if you resize the
window.  (It does if you select any of the radio buttons or expand/contract
a tree entry or otherwise provoke a full redraw).

  Oh, and one other little thing: my expectations were lightly confounded
when I ticked the box saying "Hide obsolete and administrative packages",
and the "Admin" category remained stubbornly visible at the top of the
chooser.  Perhaps there's a better word we could use than "administrative"?
"Infrastructure", perhaps?

  <columbo> Oh, there was _just_ _one_ _more_ thing...... </columbo>
Selecting (or unselecting) the "Hide obsolete" tickbox resets all your
selections in the chooser.  I take it this is an inadvertent side-effect
rather than a matter of necessity?



    cheers, 
      DaveK
-- 
Can't think of a witty .sigline today....

Setup.exe

[Dave Korn]

    Hi Max, Brian, et al.  (Hi Al!)

  Is the new version of setup coming from HEAD or from the old release
branch?  I notice that most of the recent changes appear to be on mainline,
but don't know if they're on the branch too.  As a side issue, is it really
worth releasing from branches for this application?  It's not like we want
to carry on maintaining old versions for years the way we do with gcc or
binutils, so I can't see a great deal of value in it myself, but other
people's M may of course V.

  The reason I ask is because, at least on mainline, I just noticed that the
V scrollbar on the chooser page doesn't get resized if you resize the
window.  (It does if you select any of the radio buttons or expand/contract
a tree entry or otherwise provoke a full redraw).

  Oh, and one other little thing: my expectations were lightly confounded
when I ticked the box saying "Hide obsolete and administrative packages",
and the "Admin" category remained stubbornly visible at the top of the
chooser.  Perhaps there's a better word we could use than "administrative"?
"Infrastructure", perhaps?

  <columbo> Oh, there was _just_ _one_ _more_ thing...... </columbo>
Selecting (or unselecting) the "Hide obsolete" tickbox resets all your
selections in the chooser.  I take it this is an inadvertent side-effect
rather than a matter of necessity?



    cheers, 
      DaveK
-- 
Can't think of a witty .sigline today....

RE: Setup.exe

[Prentis Brooks]

Acck!! Sorry guys, I meant for this to go to Gary and only to Gary.

My goof

On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Prentis Brooks wrote:

> On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Gary R. Van Sickle wrote:
>
> > --
> > Gary R. Van Sickle
> > Brewer.  Patriot.
>
> Question Gary, your signature, does it by chance reference A.P. Brewer
> HS?
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Unsubscribe info:      http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
> > Bug reporting:         http://cygwin.com/bugs.html
> > Documentation:         http://cygwin.com/docs.html
> > FAQ:                   http://cygwin.com/faq/
> >
>
> Prentis Brooks	| prentis@aol.net | 703-265-0914 | AIM: PrentisBrooks
> Senior System Administrator - Web Infrastructure & Security
>
>        A knight is sworn to valor.  His heart knows only virtue.  His blade
>        defends the helpless.  His word speaks only truth.  His wrath undoes
>        the wicked. - the old code of Bowen, last of the dragonslayers
>

Prentis Brooks	| prentis@aol.net | 703-265-0914 | AIM: PrentisBrooks
Senior System Administrator - Web Infrastructure & Security

       A knight is sworn to valor.  His heart knows only virtue.  His blade
       defends the helpless.  His word speaks only truth.  His wrath undoes
       the wicked. - the old code of Bowen, last of the dragonslayers

RE: Setup.exe

[Prentis Brooks]

On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Gary R. Van Sickle wrote:

> --
> Gary R. Van Sickle
> Brewer.  Patriot.

Question Gary, your signature, does it by chance reference A.P. Brewer
HS?


>
>
>
>
> --
> Unsubscribe info:      http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
> Bug reporting:         http://cygwin.com/bugs.html
> Documentation:         http://cygwin.com/docs.html
> FAQ:                   http://cygwin.com/faq/
>

Prentis Brooks	| prentis@aol.net | 703-265-0914 | AIM: PrentisBrooks
Senior System Administrator - Web Infrastructure & Security

       A knight is sworn to valor.  His heart knows only virtue.  His blade
       defends the helpless.  His word speaks only truth.  His wrath undoes
       the wicked. - the old code of Bowen, last of the dragonslayers

RE: Setup.exe

[Robert Collins]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 167 bytes --]

The core requirements are:
win95
ie4

thats all we can assume will be present.

Rob
-- 
GPG key available at: <http://users.bigpond.net.au/robertc/keys.txt>.

[-- Attachment #2: This is a digitally signed message part --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 189 bytes --]