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* [ITP] WeeChat -- Fast, light and extensible chat client
@ 2013-10-11 16:34 Sebastien Helleu
  2013-10-18  8:22 ` Corinna Vinschen
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Sebastien Helleu @ 2013-10-11 16:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cygwin-apps

Hi,

I'm the developer of WeeChat, a fast, light and extensible chat client, released
under GPLv3.

Web site: http://weechat.org/

It is available in almost all Linux distributions, for example:

  http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=weechat
  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/weechat
  http://software.opensuse.org/package/weechat

I built packages using cygport for WeeChat 0.4.2 (released past Sunday), for
Cygwin 32/64 bit.

This is the first time I used cygport, so please let me know if there is any
problem in the cygport file or the packages built.

All files are available at this URL:

  http://weechat.org/files/cygwin/0.4.2/

Or at your convenience, one tarball with all files:

  http://weechat.org/files/cygwin/weechat-0.4.2-cygwin.tar.xz

Here is the main setup.hint (for package "weechat", built on 32-bit Cygwin):

[ setup.hint ]

category: Net
requires: libaspell15 libcurl4 libgcc1 libgcrypt11 libgnutls28 libiconv2
libintl8 libncursesw10 zlib0 libaspell15 libcurl4 libgcrypt11 libgnutls28
libncursesw10 zlib0
sdesc: "Fast, light and extensible chat client (IRC/XMPP)"
ldesc: "WeeChat (Wee Enhanced Environment for Chat) is a fast, light and
extensible chat client (IRC/XMPP). Everything can be done with a keyboard, it is
customizable and extensible with scripts."

As you can see, on 32-bit, cygwin auto-adds some required packages, and then
they are two times in the list (mine in cygport file + auto-added file). On
64-bit Cygwin, there's no such problem. I don't know if it's a problem or not.

-- 
Cordialement / Best regards
Sébastien.

web: flashtux.org / weechat.org      mail: flashcode@flashtux.org
irc: FlashCode @ irc.freenode.net    xmpp: flashcode@jabber.fr

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* Re: [ITP] WeeChat -- Fast, light and extensible chat client
  2013-10-11 16:34 [ITP] WeeChat -- Fast, light and extensible chat client Sebastien Helleu
@ 2013-10-18  8:22 ` Corinna Vinschen
  2013-10-18 14:54   ` Sebastien Helleu
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Corinna Vinschen @ 2013-10-18  8:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cygwin-apps; +Cc: Sebastien Helleu

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Hi Sebastien,

On Oct 11 18:34, Sebastien wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm the developer of WeeChat, a fast, light and extensible chat client, released
> under GPLv3.
> 
> Web site: http://weechat.org/
> 
> It is available in almost all Linux distributions, for example:
> 
>   http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=weechat
>   https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/weechat
>   http://software.opensuse.org/package/weechat
> 
> I built packages using cygport for WeeChat 0.4.2 (released past Sunday), for
> Cygwin 32/64 bit.
> 
> This is the first time I used cygport, so please let me know if there is any
> problem in the cygport file or the packages built.
> 
> All files are available at this URL:
> 
>   http://weechat.org/files/cygwin/0.4.2/
> 
> Or at your convenience, one tarball with all files:
> 
>   http://weechat.org/files/cygwin/weechat-0.4.2-cygwin.tar.xz

Packaging looks good to me.

> Here is the main setup.hint (for package "weechat", built on 32-bit Cygwin):
> 
> [ setup.hint ]
> 
> category: Net
> requires: libaspell15 libcurl4 libgcc1 libgcrypt11 libgnutls28 libiconv2
> libintl8 libncursesw10 zlib0 libaspell15 libcurl4 libgcrypt11 libgnutls28
> libncursesw10 zlib0
> sdesc: "Fast, light and extensible chat client (IRC/XMPP)"
> ldesc: "WeeChat (Wee Enhanced Environment for Chat) is a fast, light and
> extensible chat client (IRC/XMPP). Everything can be done with a keyboard, it is
> customizable and extensible with scripts."
> 
> As you can see, on 32-bit, cygwin auto-adds some required packages, and then
> they are two times in the list (mine in cygport file + auto-added file). On
> 64-bit Cygwin, there's no such problem. I don't know if it's a problem or not.

I don't know why the difference between 32 and 64 bit, but it's not
such a good idea to have dependecies twice in the setup.hint file.

In general, the direct dependencies to libs are autogenerated by cygport
and therefore should not be added to the cygport file.  So I suggest to
remove the weechat_REQUIRES line completly.  The rest of the file looks
well.

Can you please regenerate the package without the weechat_REQUIRES?

One question:  As package maintainer, you should be subscribed to
the cygwin and cygwin-apps mailing lists, the first one to receive
questions and bug reports, the latter for the stuff maintainers
talk about :)

I hope that's ok for you.  If that's ok and understood, I'd be happy
to upload WeeChat as soon as the setup.hint is fixed.


Thanks,
Corinna

-- 
Corinna Vinschen                  Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to
Cygwin Maintainer                 cygwin AT cygwin DOT com
Red Hat

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* Re: [ITP] WeeChat -- Fast, light and extensible chat client
  2013-10-18  8:22 ` Corinna Vinschen
@ 2013-10-18 14:54   ` Sebastien Helleu
  2013-10-18 16:40     ` Corinna Vinschen
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Sebastien Helleu @ 2013-10-18 14:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cygwin-apps

On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:22:42AM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> Hi Sebastien,
> 
> On Oct 11 18:34, Sebastien wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I'm the developer of WeeChat, a fast, light and extensible chat client, released
> > under GPLv3.
> > 
> > Web site: http://weechat.org/
> > 
> > It is available in almost all Linux distributions, for example:
> > 
> >   http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=weechat
> >   https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/weechat
> >   http://software.opensuse.org/package/weechat
> > 
> > I built packages using cygport for WeeChat 0.4.2 (released past Sunday), for
> > Cygwin 32/64 bit.
> > 
> > This is the first time I used cygport, so please let me know if there is any
> > problem in the cygport file or the packages built.
> > 
> > All files are available at this URL:
> > 
> >   http://weechat.org/files/cygwin/0.4.2/
> > 
> > Or at your convenience, one tarball with all files:
> > 
> >   http://weechat.org/files/cygwin/weechat-0.4.2-cygwin.tar.xz
> 
> Packaging looks good to me.
> 
> > Here is the main setup.hint (for package "weechat", built on 32-bit Cygwin):
> > 
> > [ setup.hint ]
> > 
> > category: Net
> > requires: libaspell15 libcurl4 libgcc1 libgcrypt11 libgnutls28 libiconv2
> > libintl8 libncursesw10 zlib0 libaspell15 libcurl4 libgcrypt11 libgnutls28
> > libncursesw10 zlib0
> > sdesc: "Fast, light and extensible chat client (IRC/XMPP)"
> > ldesc: "WeeChat (Wee Enhanced Environment for Chat) is a fast, light and
> > extensible chat client (IRC/XMPP). Everything can be done with a keyboard, it is
> > customizable and extensible with scripts."
> > 
> > As you can see, on 32-bit, cygwin auto-adds some required packages, and then
> > they are two times in the list (mine in cygport file + auto-added file). On
> > 64-bit Cygwin, there's no such problem. I don't know if it's a problem or not.
> 
> I don't know why the difference between 32 and 64 bit, but it's not
> such a good idea to have dependecies twice in the setup.hint file.
> 
> In general, the direct dependencies to libs are autogenerated by cygport
> and therefore should not be added to the cygport file.  So I suggest to
> remove the weechat_REQUIRES line completly.  The rest of the file looks
> well.
> 
> Can you please regenerate the package without the weechat_REQUIRES?

Hi Corinna,

I have rebuilt all packages without the weechat_REQUIRES line. Now dependencies
are correct. Packages are at same URL:

  http://weechat.org/files/cygwin/0.4.2/


And I understood why they were missing: my locale is french under cygwin
(LANG=fr_FR), and the cygport tool is grepping output of "objdump -p" for the
text "DLL Name:" (file pkg_info.cygpart in cygport sources). When your locale is
not english, this text is translated (in french I have: "Nom DLL:").

So if I run cygport with this command:

  cygport weechat-0.4.2-1.cygport package

I have nothing in "requires" field.

Instead I have to run:

  LANG=C cygport weechat-0.4.2-1.cygport package

which gives all dependencies in the "requires" field.

I think it is a bug in cygport tool.
Or at least, if you consider it's not a bug, it should be mentioned in the help
that the tool must be run with an english locale (or LANG=C). Anyway, I think it
would be better to fix that, so that other users will not spent time like me to
understand why the "requires" field is empty!


Another thing I forgot to mention in my first e-mail, the "guile" plugin for
WeeChat is disabled in my cygport file, because Guile >= 2.0 is required, but
not (yet?) available in cygwin. When version 2.0 will be available, I'll be able
to build this plugin.

> 
> One question:  As package maintainer, you should be subscribed to
> the cygwin and cygwin-apps mailing lists, the first one to receive
> questions and bug reports, the latter for the stuff maintainers
> talk about :)

Thanks for the info, I missed that. I have subscribed to the cygwin mailing
list as well.

> 
> I hope that's ok for you.  If that's ok and understood, I'd be happy
> to upload WeeChat as soon as the setup.hint is fixed.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Corinna
> 
> -- 
> Corinna Vinschen                  Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to
> Cygwin Maintainer                 cygwin AT cygwin DOT com
> Red Hat


-- 
Cordialement / Best regards
Sébastien.

web: flashtux.org / weechat.org      mail: flashcode@flashtux.org
irc: FlashCode @ irc.freenode.net    xmpp: flashcode@jabber.fr

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* Re: [ITP] WeeChat -- Fast, light and extensible chat client
  2013-10-18 14:54   ` Sebastien Helleu
@ 2013-10-18 16:40     ` Corinna Vinschen
  2013-10-18 17:55       ` Christopher Faylor
                         ` (2 more replies)
  0 siblings, 3 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Corinna Vinschen @ 2013-10-18 16:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cygwin-apps; +Cc: Yaakov S, Jan Nieuwenhuizen

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On Oct 18 16:54, Sebastien wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:22:42AM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> > Hi Sebastien,
> > 
> > On Oct 11 18:34, Sebastien wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I'm the developer of WeeChat, a fast, light and extensible chat client, released
> > > under GPLv3.
> > > 
> > > Web site: http://weechat.org/
> > > 
> > > It is available in almost all Linux distributions, for example:
> > > 
> > >   http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=weechat
> > >   https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/weechat
> > >   http://software.opensuse.org/package/weechat
> > > 
> > > I built packages using cygport for WeeChat 0.4.2 (released past Sunday), for
> > > Cygwin 32/64 bit.
> > > [...]
> > Can you please regenerate the package without the weechat_REQUIRES?
> 
> Hi Corinna,
> 
> I have rebuilt all packages without the weechat_REQUIRES line. Now dependencies
> are correct. Packages are at same URL:
> 
>   http://weechat.org/files/cygwin/0.4.2/

Uploaded.

> And I understood why they were missing: my locale is french under cygwin
> (LANG=fr_FR), and the cygport tool is grepping output of "objdump -p" for the
> text "DLL Name:" (file pkg_info.cygpart in cygport sources). When your locale is
> not english, this text is translated (in french I have: "Nom DLL:").
> 
> So if I run cygport with this command:
> 
>   cygport weechat-0.4.2-1.cygport package
> 
> I have nothing in "requires" field.
> 
> Instead I have to run:
> 
>   LANG=C cygport weechat-0.4.2-1.cygport package
> 
> which gives all dependencies in the "requires" field.
> 
> I think it is a bug in cygport tool.
> Or at least, if you consider it's not a bug, it should be mentioned in the help
> that the tool must be run with an english locale (or LANG=C). Anyway, I think it
> would be better to fix that, so that other users will not spent time like me to
> understand why the "requires" field is empty!

Yaakov, any comment?  Would it make sense to set LANG=C throughout
the cygport script?

> Another thing I forgot to mention in my first e-mail, the "guile" plugin for
> WeeChat is disabled in my cygport file, because Guile >= 2.0 is required, but
> not (yet?) available in cygwin. When version 2.0 will be available, I'll be able
> to build this plugin.

Jan, our 32 bit version of guile is 1.8.7 from 2010, the 64 bit version
is at 1.8.8.  Do you see any chance to update guile to a 2.x version?


Thanks,
Corinna

-- 
Corinna Vinschen                  Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to
Cygwin Maintainer                 cygwin AT cygwin DOT com
Red Hat

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* Re: [ITP] WeeChat -- Fast, light and extensible chat client
  2013-10-18 16:40     ` Corinna Vinschen
@ 2013-10-18 17:55       ` Christopher Faylor
  2013-10-21  6:26       ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
  2013-10-31 23:47       ` Yaakov (Cygwin/X)
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Christopher Faylor @ 2013-10-18 17:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cygwin-apps

On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 06:40:13PM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
>On Oct 18 16:54, Sebastien wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:22:42AM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
>> > Hi Sebastien,
>> > 
>> > On Oct 11 18:34, Sebastien wrote:
>> > > Hi,
>> > > 
>> > > I'm the developer of WeeChat, a fast, light and extensible chat client, released
>> > > under GPLv3.
>> > > 
>> > > Web site: http://weechat.org/
>> > > 
>> > > It is available in almost all Linux distributions, for example:
>> > > 
>> > >   http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=weechat
>> > >   https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/weechat
>> > >   http://software.opensuse.org/package/weechat
>> > > 
>> > > I built packages using cygport for WeeChat 0.4.2 (released past Sunday), for
>> > > Cygwin 32/64 bit.
>> > > [...]
>> > Can you please regenerate the package without the weechat_REQUIRES?
>> 
>> Hi Corinna,
>> 
>> I have rebuilt all packages without the weechat_REQUIRES line. Now dependencies
>> are correct. Packages are at same URL:
>> 
>>   http://weechat.org/files/cygwin/0.4.2/
>
>Uploaded.

Sebastien, please provide an ssh key so that you can upload this
package in the future.  See:

http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2013-10/msg00117.html
http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2013-10/msg00142.html
http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2013-10/msg00146.html

cgf

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* Re: [ITP] WeeChat -- Fast, light and extensible chat client
  2013-10-18 16:40     ` Corinna Vinschen
  2013-10-18 17:55       ` Christopher Faylor
@ 2013-10-21  6:26       ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
  2013-10-21  6:58         ` Yaakov (Cygwin/X)
  2013-10-31 23:47       ` Yaakov (Cygwin/X)
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Jan Nieuwenhuizen @ 2013-10-21  6:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cygwin-apps; +Cc: Yaakov S, Jan Nieuwenhuizen

Corinna Vinschen writes:

> Jan, our 32 bit version of guile is 1.8.7 from 2010, the 64 bit version
> is at 1.8.8.  Do you see any chance to update guile to a 2.x version?

Ah, am I still maintainer for Guile?  Currently, LilyPond does not work
with guile 2 yet so we'd have to keep 1.8.x around for a bit anyway.

Jan

-- 
Jan Nieuwenhuizen <janneke@gnu.org> | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org
Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar®  http://AvatarAcademy.nl  

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* Re: [ITP] WeeChat -- Fast, light and extensible chat client
  2013-10-21  6:26       ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
@ 2013-10-21  6:58         ` Yaakov (Cygwin/X)
  2013-10-21  7:29           ` Sebastien Helleu
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Yaakov (Cygwin/X) @ 2013-10-21  6:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cygwin-apps; +Cc: Jan Nieuwenhuizen

On 2013-10-21 01:26, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
>> Jan, our 32 bit version of guile is 1.8.7 from 2010, the 64 bit version
>> is at 1.8.8.  Do you see any chance to update guile to a 2.x version?
>
> Ah, am I still maintainer for Guile?

Yes.

> Currently, LilyPond does not work with guile 2 yet so we'd have to keep
> 1.8.x around for a bit anyway.

Definitely, there are many others which are still compatible only with 1.8.


Yaakov

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* Re: [ITP] WeeChat -- Fast, light and extensible chat client
  2013-10-21  6:58         ` Yaakov (Cygwin/X)
@ 2013-10-21  7:29           ` Sebastien Helleu
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Sebastien Helleu @ 2013-10-21  7:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cygwin-apps; +Cc: Yaakov S, Jan Nieuwenhuizen

On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 01:58:01AM -0500, Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote:
> On 2013-10-21 01:26, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
> >>Jan, our 32 bit version of guile is 1.8.7 from 2010, the 64 bit version
> >>is at 1.8.8.  Do you see any chance to update guile to a 2.x version?
> >
> >Ah, am I still maintainer for Guile?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> >Currently, LilyPond does not work with guile 2 yet so we'd have to keep
> >1.8.x around for a bit anyway.
> 
> Definitely, there are many others which are still compatible only with 1.8.
> 
> 
> Yaakov

Hi,

What about adding guile 2.0, in addition to the existing 1.8 ?
So that all apps compatible with only 1.8 still work, and WeeChat can have the
guile plugin compiled, against version 2.x.

-- 
Cordialement / Best regards
Sébastien.

web: flashtux.org / weechat.org      mail: flashcode@flashtux.org
irc: FlashCode @ irc.freenode.net    xmpp: flashcode@jabber.fr

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* Re: [ITP] WeeChat -- Fast, light and extensible chat client
  2013-10-18 16:40     ` Corinna Vinschen
  2013-10-18 17:55       ` Christopher Faylor
  2013-10-21  6:26       ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
@ 2013-10-31 23:47       ` Yaakov (Cygwin/X)
  2013-11-01  8:32         ` Sebastien Helleu
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Yaakov (Cygwin/X) @ 2013-10-31 23:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cygwin-apps

On 2013-10-18 11:40, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> On Oct 18 16:54, Sebastien wrote:
>> And I understood why they were missing: my locale is french under cygwin
>> (LANG=fr_FR), and the cygport tool is grepping output of "objdump -p" for the
>> text "DLL Name:" (file pkg_info.cygpart in cygport sources). When your locale is
>> not english, this text is translated (in french I have: "Nom DLL:").
>>
>> So if I run cygport with this command:
>>
>>    cygport weechat-0.4.2-1.cygport package
>>
>> I have nothing in "requires" field.
>>
>> Instead I have to run:
>>
>>    LANG=C cygport weechat-0.4.2-1.cygport package
>>
>> which gives all dependencies in the "requires" field.
>>
>> I think it is a bug in cygport tool.
>> Or at least, if you consider it's not a bug, it should be mentioned in the help
>> that the tool must be run with an english locale (or LANG=C). Anyway, I think it
>> would be better to fix that, so that other users will not spent time like me to
>> understand why the "requires" field is empty!
>
> Yaakov, any comment?

This should be fixed in git master, commit 50cdfcd; running cygport 
itself with LANG=C should NOT be necessary.

(BTW, I'm willing to consider localizing cygport itself if there are 
interested translators.)


Yaakov

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* Re: [ITP] WeeChat -- Fast, light and extensible chat client
  2013-10-31 23:47       ` Yaakov (Cygwin/X)
@ 2013-11-01  8:32         ` Sebastien Helleu
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Sebastien Helleu @ 2013-11-01  8:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cygwin-apps

On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 06:47:28PM -0500, Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote:
> On 2013-10-18 11:40, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> >On Oct 18 16:54, Sebastien wrote:
> >>And I understood why they were missing: my locale is french under cygwin
> >>(LANG=fr_FR), and the cygport tool is grepping output of "objdump -p" for the
> >>text "DLL Name:" (file pkg_info.cygpart in cygport sources). When your locale is
> >>not english, this text is translated (in french I have: "Nom DLL:").
> >>
> >>So if I run cygport with this command:
> >>
> >>   cygport weechat-0.4.2-1.cygport package
> >>
> >>I have nothing in "requires" field.
> >>
> >>Instead I have to run:
> >>
> >>   LANG=C cygport weechat-0.4.2-1.cygport package
> >>
> >>which gives all dependencies in the "requires" field.
> >>
> >>I think it is a bug in cygport tool.
> >>Or at least, if you consider it's not a bug, it should be mentioned in the help
> >>that the tool must be run with an english locale (or LANG=C). Anyway, I think it
> >>would be better to fix that, so that other users will not spent time like me to
> >>understand why the "requires" field is empty!
> >
> >Yaakov, any comment?
> 
> This should be fixed in git master, commit 50cdfcd; running cygport
> itself with LANG=C should NOT be necessary.
> 
> (BTW, I'm willing to consider localizing cygport itself if there are
> interested translators.)
> 
> 
> Yaakov

Thanks Yaakov for the fix.
I'll wait for the new cygport version in cygwin, and I'll let you know if the
fix is working for me.

I can help with french translations, just ping me if you need help with that.

-- 
Cordialement / Best regards
Sébastien.

web: flashtux.org / weechat.org      mail: flashcode@flashtux.org
irc: FlashCode @ irc.freenode.net    xmpp: flashcode@jabber.fr

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