From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 86216 invoked by alias); 31 Oct 2017 11:21:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact cygwin-apps-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Sender: cygwin-apps-owner@cygwin.com List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Mail-Followup-To: cygwin-apps@cygwin.com Received: (qmail 86204 invoked by uid 89); 31 Oct 2017 11:21:16 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-100.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,GOOD_FROM_CORINNA_CYGWIN,KAM_LAZY_DOMAIN_SECURITY,RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 spammy=opportunity X-HELO: drew.franken.de Received: from mail-n.franken.de (HELO drew.franken.de) (193.175.24.27) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.93/v0.84-503-g423c35a) with ESMTP; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 11:21:14 +0000 Received: from aqua.hirmke.de (aquarius.franken.de [193.175.24.89]) (Authenticated sender: aquarius) by mail-n.franken.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8EA6570D4CC06 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 12:21:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from calimero.vinschen.de (calimero.vinschen.de [192.168.129.6]) by aqua.hirmke.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5BB55E03A0 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 12:21:09 +0100 (CET) Received: by calimero.vinschen.de (Postfix, from userid 500) id D46AFA8061B; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 12:21:09 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 11:21:00 -0000 From: Corinna Vinschen To: cygwin-apps@cygwin.com Subject: Re: [[PATCH setup] 0/3] Prepare for colons in version numbers Message-ID: <20171031112109.GF7980@calimero.vinschen.de> Mail-Followup-To: cygwin-apps@cygwin.com References: <20171027184723.9324-1-kbrown@cornell.edu> <87wp3gs87a.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <4eb3bda2-c6a2-bc48-d042-d54229a28514@dronecode.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="kA1LkgxZ0NN7Mz3A" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-SW-Source: 2017-10/txt/msg00174.txt.bz2 --kA1LkgxZ0NN7Mz3A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-length: 1431 On Oct 31 11:06, Achim Gratz wrote: > Am 30.10.2017 um 16:58 schrieb Jon Turney: > > "everyone" !=3D "everyone, ignoring people who disagree with me" >=20 > I think this is an unfair summary of my position. >=20 > > If you think epochs are a bad idea, you need to give reasons, not just > > pretend there is no debate. >=20 > I was strictly talking about those folks who've had the opportunity in > practise so far, which is all the major GNU/Linux distributions. The ones > I'm aware of aren't using epochs and instead decided to use other means of > achieving the same (or similar) goals. In fact they created rules to not > use epochs even though the tools support them. Their line of reasoning > always was (and still is), that once you start using epochs there is no w= ay > going back and you could just as well have used monotonic release numbers > instead of versions. The other point is that it is close to impossible t= hat > everybody will agree on what the epoch ought to be. The last point is th= at > once an epoch bump is introduced, you can't decide to sort things > differently unless you're prepared to invalidate all existing released > packages. Not sure what distros you're referring to. Of the 58467 packages in Fedora 26, 7822 are using epochs. Corinna --=20 Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Maintainer cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Red Hat --kA1LkgxZ0NN7Mz3A Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-length: 819 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJZ+FylAAoJEPU2Bp2uRE+gwnUQAKYMHLZ0gKrXeChEhx+O3Hcl wHsYxokdmwnSDpLb61i6Q+kfJ6urndlMXtremkISKYkQZa5fvaaKRtHMY6HWMXeL cwMMPzaJBmFjebk9+emTqpkdLwo9ks88YQ0kIHs56Omc/Twh25E2ITq+BS1iAusC bJh3RsFB4469BngkXeRrW1wLYPmykMowFM4bN7BTmAt1qHSQdzc4VPFNVc8amhul H/fGoLw16/Y6IV7pHEtxxUNtrkgsaB0Pr5TKc4oPN8ayaqvz69Omp5ldZQRNigJc RbymOp1+lL4SPnWdxAgRjaZT4JG20dR+MrJD0NMtbak+HMhFLAQ5mWmbXdHnHnRT G5VAltZCAdo2xHWwbWTUWbFXs0gP0gd/FUsl0TQ42mDNEQe9ES/zL9rvE+GL8oYb kuo162TCGyjn6Oom1WO5E0JvW9LxLezlue1zVthIP4rTDSnyWfJblAJ4VdM0QXIt k5/7jWLG065YpvW6o2HlVFMb8G7i7tMkZ98MMms6uPKKzZ3RpP8BoCfmW0pmzE/B dnW8CBRCkGwa5Kfa2D8tbF/OYElZlk8uuyOSKzs1xCMovVFGusKbBRJ3pWjvNREp TcwfwA3hoTRgaIc4EQC4oPbjB6iz2BzxoUbu1ZuLoep/r1smmE2kUyTNWZjNvvvl t48/54OcZ6wZEgfO2j0i =2dy2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --kA1LkgxZ0NN7Mz3A--