* Re: calm: vaulting ancient unifont [not found] <171483768000.364883.2882635094333042283@server2.sourceware.org> @ 2024-05-04 19:21 ` Brian Inglis 2024-05-06 15:27 ` Jon Turney 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Brian Inglis @ 2024-05-04 19:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin-apps Thanks Jon? - yay! On 2024-05-04 09:48, cygwin-no-reply@cygwin.com wrote: > INFO: vaulting x86_64/release/unifont/unifont-8.0.01-1-src.hint > INFO: vaulting x86_64/release/unifont/unifont-8.0.01-1-src.tar.xz > INFO: vaulting x86_64/release/unifont/font-unifont-misc/font-unifont-misc-8.0.01-1.hint > INFO: vaulting x86_64/release/unifont/font-unifont-misc/font-unifont-misc-8.0.01-1.tar.xz > INFO: vaulting x86_64/release/unifont/font-unifont-ttf/font-unifont-ttf-8.0.01-1.hint > INFO: vaulting x86_64/release/unifont/font-unifont-ttf/font-unifont-ttf-8.0.01-1.tar.xz > INFO: vaulting x86_64/release/unifont/unifont-debuginfo/unifont-debuginfo-8.0.01-1.hint > INFO: vaulting x86_64/release/unifont/unifont-debuginfo/unifont-debuginfo-8.0.01-1.tar.xz > SUMMARY: 8 INFO(s) -- Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada La perfection est atteinte Perfection is achieved non pas lorsqu'il n'y a plus rien à ajouter not when there is no more to add mais lorsqu'il n'y a plus rien à retirer but when there is no more to cut -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: calm: vaulting ancient unifont 2024-05-04 19:21 ` calm: vaulting ancient unifont Brian Inglis @ 2024-05-06 15:27 ` Jon Turney 2024-05-06 16:46 ` Brian Inglis 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Jon Turney @ 2024-05-06 15:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Brian Inglis; +Cc: cygwin-apps On 04/05/2024 20:21, Brian Inglis via Cygwin-apps wrote: > Thanks Jon? - yay! Right, I deployed some changes to calm which will gradually let us get rid of the "old-style" of obsoletion (where, as here, the old name of a package (i.e. font-unifont-misc, font-unifont-ttf) continues to exist with a category of _obsolete and requires: its replacement) (cygport stopped generating these some time ago (0.34.1, 2022), but they've been lingering around indefinitely, because in some cases it's only the existence of these packages which currently records the fact of the obsoletion) Since someone's bound to get the wrong end of the stick: This doesn't mean package maintainers should change anything. And just to reiterate: As a principle, every version of a package must contain complete instructions for upgrading to it. So, it is almost never correct to go "I'll remove these OBSOLETE instruction after one package release with them, since they've already happened everywhere..." > On 2024-05-04 09:48, > cygwin-no-reply-rDBXBDvO6BXQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org wrote: >> INFO: vaulting x86_64/release/unifont/unifont-8.0.01-1-src.hint >> INFO: vaulting x86_64/release/unifont/unifont-8.0.01-1-src.tar.xz >> INFO: vaulting >> x86_64/release/unifont/font-unifont-misc/font-unifont-misc-8.0.01-1.hint >> INFO: vaulting >> x86_64/release/unifont/font-unifont-misc/font-unifont-misc-8.0.01-1.tar.xz >> INFO: vaulting >> x86_64/release/unifont/font-unifont-ttf/font-unifont-ttf-8.0.01-1.hint >> INFO: vaulting >> x86_64/release/unifont/font-unifont-ttf/font-unifont-ttf-8.0.01-1.tar.xz >> INFO: vaulting >> x86_64/release/unifont/unifont-debuginfo/unifont-debuginfo-8.0.01-1.hint >> INFO: vaulting >> x86_64/release/unifont/unifont-debuginfo/unifont-debuginfo-8.0.01-1.tar.xz >> SUMMARY: 8 INFO(s) Anyhow, double checking that the "right thing" happened here, I notice that 'unifont' obsoletes 'unifont-debuginfo', which seems a bit weird, especially since it contains the expected .dbg files etc. Brian, Are you sure that's right? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: calm: vaulting ancient unifont 2024-05-06 15:27 ` Jon Turney @ 2024-05-06 16:46 ` Brian Inglis 2024-05-21 13:18 ` Jon Turney 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Brian Inglis @ 2024-05-06 16:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin-apps On 2024-05-06 09:27, Jon Turney via Cygwin-apps wrote: > On 04/05/2024 20:21, Brian Inglis via Cygwin-apps wrote: >> Thanks Jon? - yay! > > Right, I deployed some changes to calm which will gradually let us get rid of > the "old-style" of obsoletion (where, as here, the old name of a package (i.e. > font-unifont-misc, font-unifont-ttf) continues to exist with a category of > _obsolete and requires: its replacement) > > (cygport stopped generating these some time ago (0.34.1, 2022), but they've been > lingering around indefinitely, because in some cases it's only the existence of > these packages which currently records the fact of the obsoletion) > > > Since someone's bound to get the wrong end of the stick: This doesn't mean > package maintainers should change anything. > > And just to reiterate: As a principle, every version of a package must contain > complete instructions for upgrading to it. So, it is almost never correct to go > "I'll remove these OBSOLETE instruction after one package release with them, > since they've already happened everywhere..." > >> On 2024-05-04 09:48, cygwin-no-reply-rDBXBDvO6BXQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org >> wrote: >>> INFO: vaulting x86_64/release/unifont/unifont-8.0.01-1-src.hint >>> INFO: vaulting x86_64/release/unifont/unifont-8.0.01-1-src.tar.xz >>> INFO: vaulting >>> x86_64/release/unifont/font-unifont-misc/font-unifont-misc-8.0.01-1.hint >>> INFO: vaulting >>> x86_64/release/unifont/font-unifont-misc/font-unifont-misc-8.0.01-1.tar.xz >>> INFO: vaulting >>> x86_64/release/unifont/font-unifont-ttf/font-unifont-ttf-8.0.01-1.hint >>> INFO: vaulting >>> x86_64/release/unifont/font-unifont-ttf/font-unifont-ttf-8.0.01-1.tar.xz >>> INFO: vaulting >>> x86_64/release/unifont/unifont-debuginfo/unifont-debuginfo-8.0.01-1.hint >>> INFO: vaulting >>> x86_64/release/unifont/unifont-debuginfo/unifont-debuginfo-8.0.01-1.tar.xz >>> SUMMARY: 8 INFO(s) > > Anyhow, double checking that the "right thing" happened here, I notice that > 'unifont' obsoletes 'unifont-debuginfo', which seems a bit weird, especially > since it contains the expected .dbg files etc. > > Brian, > > Are you sure that's right? It appears not! My reasoning was that as unifont-viewer was split out from unifont-fonts, unifont-viewer-debuginfo would be generated, but it appears that is not how that works. Is there any way to make that work, or should I just drop it in the next release, or a new -RELEASE? -- Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada La perfection est atteinte Perfection is achieved non pas lorsqu'il n'y a plus rien à ajouter not when there is no more to add mais lorsqu'il n'y a plus rien à retirer but when there is no more to cut -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: calm: vaulting ancient unifont 2024-05-06 16:46 ` Brian Inglis @ 2024-05-21 13:18 ` Jon Turney 0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread From: Jon Turney @ 2024-05-21 13:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Brian Inglis; +Cc: cygwin-apps On 06/05/2024 17:46, Brian Inglis via Cygwin-apps wrote: > On 2024-05-06 09:27, Jon Turney via Cygwin-apps wrote: [...] >> Anyhow, double checking that the "right thing" happened here, I notice >> that 'unifont' obsoletes 'unifont-debuginfo', which seems a bit weird, >> especially since it contains the expected .dbg files etc. >> >> Brian, >> >> Are you sure that's right? > > It appears not! > My reasoning was that as unifont-viewer was split out from > unifont-fonts, unifont-viewer-debuginfo would be generated, but it > appears that is not how that works. > Is there any way to make that work, or should I just drop it in the next > release, or a new -RELEASE? There's only a single debuginfo package generated for each source package. It's unclear to me that finer granularity would be very useful. unifont-viewer seems to be just a script, anyhow, so wouldn't have any useful debug information. I don't think this is of any great importance, so fixing it in the next release seems fine. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
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