From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from omta001.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net (omta001.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net [3.97.99.32]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5BB463857C51 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2022 19:30:16 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 sourceware.org 5BB463857C51 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=SystematicSw.ab.ca Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=systematicsw.ab.ca Received: from shw-obgw-4001a.ext.cloudfilter.net ([10.228.9.142]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id w1Ymo7YpTMsxDw743o3EBy; Fri, 18 Nov 2022 19:30:15 +0000 Received: from [10.0.0.5] ([184.64.124.72]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id w742oO2YnibmAw743oQ4eQ; Fri, 18 Nov 2022 19:30:15 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=YPCMdDKx c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=6377dd47 a=oHm12aVswOWz6TMtn9zYKg==:117 a=oHm12aVswOWz6TMtn9zYKg==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ahjcouMT8UjmQK-x_oUA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 Message-ID: <3dc57f50-cb80-4893-48f3-1ce976bf6996@SystematicSw.ab.ca> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 12:30:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.4.2 To: cygwin-apps@cygwin.com Subject: Re: RE: Cygwin x86 end-of-life Reply-To: cygwin-apps@cygwin.com Content-Language: en-CA From: Brian Inglis Organization: Systematic Software Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfNGbixu0fFJzhMP37+0Q7r5tN0tRoSOBqh2Yo7xqIw+OPNLSiKOyKWaWTt+q3+b9ese2GwKC+zi7+hG3f+tYD9glAzWVtEzDYvu6WkFMy5u9eFjxQKCR AHN0EHYkuAVlh7jJW45SpdsXvXuYNIZW+xG92Eup6EvYO9qCS67/L9yIfC/GHgHNccDRaYevHJJXYuiW7/piEm2C64eBO7EEeqw= X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1163.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,KAM_DMARC_STATUS,KAM_LAZY_DOMAIN_SECURITY,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_NONE,TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 15:51:34 +0000, Jon Turney wrote: > On 14/11/2022 21:29, Jason Pyeron wrote: >> On Monday, November 14, 2022 3:17 PM, Brian Inglis wrote: >>> On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 16:25:18 +0000, Jon Turney wrote: >>>> On 11/11/2022 16:16, Jon Turney wrote: >>>>> On 11/11/2022 15:50, Jon Turney wrote: >>>>>> As has previously been announced, Cygwin is dropping support for x86 >>>>>> Windows. Cygwin 3.3.6 is the final version supporting x86 (32-bit) >>>>>> Windows, and the forthcoming Cygwin 3.4 will be released for x86_64 only. >>>>>> Concurrent with that, updates to x86 packages will be stopped, and the >>>>>> Cygwin x86 package repository will be archived. >>>>> I plan to pause package uploads this coming Monday (2022-11-14), before >>>>> starting the re-organization of the package repository to make this >>>>> archive. >>>> Since there have been some complaints about short notice, and to give >>>> time to work out the issues with gettext/libunistring, I'm going to >>>> defer this by one week, until Monday 2022-11-21. >>> Thank you very much appreciated, hopefully we can deal with the remaining issues >>> quickly. >> I do not have an articulate retort to ending support, but all I can say is >> that I feel there must be a middle ground. >> I feel that there could and should be some form of "we don’t support it" >> but we are not going out of our way to prevent it. > I'm unclear if this means: > (a) "releasing Cygwin 3.4.x DLL for x86 OS" > (b) "don't require x86 uploads, but don't prevent them, either" > The problem I have with (b) is that we probably end up in a state where > x86 is missing package updates people want or need; or broken, but we > don't know it, because nobody uses it. >> Can I throw resources at a solution? If so what? > Sure, if that's what you want to do. > According surveys, 32-bit Windows has a fraction of 1% market share, and > declining. Our own (limited) metrics are in accord with that, so I > basically see any time I spend on this as wasted. > So, the first resource you'll need provide is manpower. The decision makes sense with those numbers. Do we have numbers to say what the situation is with Windows mingw64-i686 crosses? Should we also be dropping those at the same time, if there is only 1% use of that platform? In which case, we should announce that, and add that to the EoL notices. -- Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada La perfection est atteinte Perfection is achieved non pas lorsqu'il n'y a plus rien à ajouter not when there is no more to add mais lorsqu'il n'y a plus rien à retirer but when there is no more to cut -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry