[RFC] 1.7 Packaging: X11

[RFC] 1.7 Packaging: X11

[Yaakov (Cygwin Ports)]

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Our X11R6 hasn't been updated in almost three years now.  Since then,
X.org has moved to a modular R7 where each library, executable, font
set, etc. have their own autotooled package.

It seems that our X11 is used for two different things: 1) to build and
run X11(/GTK+/GNOME/Qt/KDE) GUI programs for Cygwin, or 2) to remote
desktop from other *NIX boxes.

I have been using the client side of X11R7 for a couple years now, and
it works beautifully.  I've been able to build and run almost all of
both GNOME and KDE with very few issues.

The one problem I have had is getting the server to build and/or work,
as I've mentioned on several occasions, so in the meantime I've been
using Xming.  Since I wasn't comfortable with an incomplete X11 upgrade,
I never got this into the distro as I had intended, and this is where
Ports and the distro diverged, as I was unable to update anything
X11-dependent without an update to X11 itself.

With 1.7 coming, I think now is the time to rethink this.  The
monolithic tree is now obsolete, and I can't even imagine trying to
maintain it.  OTOH the modular packages are essentially like any other,
and are very easy for someone (or even several people) to maintain.

I am very comfortable with the client side, and I am prepared to update
the headers, libraries, and apps for 1.7 and maintain it within the
distro.  Furthermore, I am willing to coordinate an effort to get XWin
ported and working, providing there are those that would commit to help.

Until XWin R7 is working, either people will need to use Xming, or the
old R6 XWin.  It's not perfect, but some would say that it fits with
WJM. :-)

OTOH, I've never used X11 as a remote desktop, since I've never had such
a setup, so I'm really not able to help much with the many questions on
that topic.

So what I think we need is a co-maintainership.  I can handle the
packaging and client-side issues, and other(s) can help port XWin and
handle server-side issues.


Yaakov

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Re: [RFC] 1.7 Packaging: X11

[Reini Urban]

Yaakov (Cygwin Ports) schrieb:
> So what I think we need is a co-maintainership.  I can handle the
> packaging and client-side issues, and other(s) can help port XWin and
> handle server-side issues.

Yaakov++
Great, we owe you a beer, or two!

Re: [RFC] 1.7 Packaging: X11

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Jul 28 19:38, Reini Urban wrote:
> Yaakov (Cygwin Ports) schrieb:
>> So what I think we need is a co-maintainership.  I can handle the
>> packaging and client-side issues, and other(s) can help port XWin and
>> handle server-side issues.
>
> Yaakov++
> Great, we owe you a beer, or two!

ACK.  I would personally spend a couple of gold stars for Yaakov and
the guy(s) who help Yaakov to get the X11R7 server side up to speed.
Promised!


Corinna

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Corinna Vinschen                  Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to
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Red Hat

Re: [RFC] 1.7 Packaging: X11

[Reini Urban]

2008/7/29 Corinna Vinschen:
> On Jul 28 19:38, Reini Urban wrote:
>> Yaakov (Cygwin Ports) schrieb:
>>> So what I think we need is a co-maintainership.  I can handle the
>>> packaging and client-side issues, and other(s) can help port XWin and
>>> handle server-side issues.
>>
>> Yaakov++
>> Great, we owe you a beer, or two!
>
> ACK.  I would personally spend a couple of gold stars for Yaakov and
> the guy(s) who help Yaakov to get the X11R7 server side up to speed.
> Promised!

My beer is for the clients alone.
First we need the X clients updated.i.e. merge most of Yaakov's huge
cygports into setup.

For the server side we have to agree on a wording, that certain apps might work
better with a non-cygwin (mingw) and even non-free solution: Xming 7.0.3
I don't use Xming anymore, and the old cygwin X server still works fine for me.

The public and LGPL compliant Xming is also just at 6.9.0.31.
The 7.3.0.x code - as from my Heise CD - is non-GNU compliant and has
a special license.
It requires a donation before you can download!

http://www.straightrunning.com/XmingNotes/
http://blue-gnu.biz/content/fsf_confirms_xming_restrictions_not_allowed
http://www.straightrunning.com/XmingNotes/terms.php

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Re: [RFC] 1.7 Packaging: X11

[Yaakov (Cygwin Ports)]

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Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> ACK.  I would personally spend a couple of gold stars for Yaakov and
> the guy(s) who help Yaakov to get the X11R7 server side up to speed.
> Promised!

FYI, Jon Turney has stepped up on the cygwin-ports-general list with
patches; we are still working out some bugs, but now I'm optimistic that
we will be able to provide a working xorg-server package for Cygwin 1.7.


Yaakov
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Re: [RFC] 1.7 Packaging: X11

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Oct 10 01:54, Yaakov (Cygwin Ports) wrote:
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> Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> > ACK.  I would personally spend a couple of gold stars for Yaakov and
> > the guy(s) who help Yaakov to get the X11R7 server side up to speed.
> > Promised!
> 
> FYI, Jon Turney has stepped up on the cygwin-ports-general list with
> patches; we are still working out some bugs, but now I'm optimistic that
> we will be able to provide a working xorg-server package for Cygwin 1.7.

This sounds promising.  Thank you very much for working on this!


Corinna

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Re: [RFC] 1.7 Packaging: X11

[Christopher Faylor]

On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:17:06AM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
>On Oct 10 01:54, Yaakov (Cygwin Ports) wrote:
>> Corinna Vinschen wrote:
>> > ACK.  I would personally spend a couple of gold stars for Yaakov and
>> > the guy(s) who help Yaakov to get the X11R7 server side up to speed.
>> > Promised!
>> 
>> FYI, Jon Turney has stepped up on the cygwin-ports-general list with
>> patches; we are still working out some bugs, but now I'm optimistic that
>> we will be able to provide a working xorg-server package for Cygwin 1.7.
>
>This sounds promising.  Thank you very much for working on this!

Big ditto.

cgf

Re: [RFC] 1.7 Packaging: X11

[Yaakov (Cygwin Ports)]

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Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> This sounds promising.  Thank you very much for working on this!

It appears now that we won't have to wait for cygwin-1.7 after all; the
latest X11R7.4 should be ready for ITA in the next few weeks, if not sooner.


Yaakov
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Re: [RFC] 1.7 Packaging: X11

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Oct 31 01:35, Yaakov (Cygwin Ports) wrote:
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> Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> > This sounds promising.  Thank you very much for working on this!
> 
> It appears now that we won't have to wait for cygwin-1.7 after all; the
> latest X11R7.4 should be ready for ITA in the next few weeks, if not sooner.

Sorry Yaakov, but that's not feasible.  We don't have the right number
of gold stars anymore and I'm not sure we can get them in time.


;)
Corinna

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Re: [RFC] 1.7 Packaging: X11

[Reini Urban]

2008/10/31 Corinna Vinschen:
> On Oct 31 01:35, Yaakov (Cygwin Ports) wrote:
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>> Corinna Vinschen wrote:
>> > This sounds promising.  Thank you very much for working on this!
>>
>> It appears now that we won't have to wait for cygwin-1.7 after all; the
>> latest X11R7.4 should be ready for ITA in the next few weeks, if not sooner.
>
> Sorry Yaakov, but that's not feasible.  We don't have the right number
> of gold stars anymore and I'm not sure we can get them in time.
> ;)

You could buy some at http://www.cygwin.com/donations.html
The 5th entry
I just did


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Re: [RFC] 1.7 Packaging: X11

[Christopher Faylor]

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:07:39PM +0100, Reini Urban wrote:
>2008/10/31 Corinna Vinschen:
>> On Oct 31 01:35, Yaakov (Cygwin Ports) wrote:
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>>> Corinna Vinschen wrote:
>>> > This sounds promising.  Thank you very much for working on this!
>>>
>>> It appears now that we won't have to wait for cygwin-1.7 after all; the
>>> latest X11R7.4 should be ready for ITA in the next few weeks, if not sooner.
>>
>> Sorry Yaakov, but that's not feasible.  We don't have the right number
>> of gold stars anymore and I'm not sure we can get them in time.
>> ;)
>
>You could buy some at http://www.cygwin.com/donations.html
>The 5th entry
>I just did

Hmm.  Very good idea but I got a "unable to decrypt the certificate id"
when I clicked there.  Does anyone else have this problem?

If so, Yaakov could you contact me offline to discuss this?

cgf

Re: [RFC] 1.7 Packaging: X11

[Reini Urban]

2008/10/31 Christopher Faylor <cgf-use-the-mailinglist-please@cygwin.com>:
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:07:39PM +0100, Reini Urban wrote:
>>2008/10/31 Corinna Vinschen:
>>> On Oct 31 01:35, Yaakov (Cygwin Ports) wrote:
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>>>> Corinna Vinschen wrote:
>>>> > This sounds promising.  Thank you very much for working on this!
>>>>
>>>> It appears now that we won't have to wait for cygwin-1.7 after all; the
>>>> latest X11R7.4 should be ready for ITA in the next few weeks, if not sooner.
>>>
>>> Sorry Yaakov, but that's not feasible.  We don't have the right number
>>> of gold stars anymore and I'm not sure we can get them in time.
>>> ;)
>>
>>You could buy some at http://www.cygwin.com/donations.html
>>The 5th entry
>>I just did
>
> Hmm.  Very good idea but I got a "unable to decrypt the certificate id"
> when I clicked there.  Does anyone else have this problem?

Me too, because there are linebreaks in the certificate.
I had to search him manually in paypal via email, and then my card had
not enough credit.

> If so, Yaakov could you contact me offline to discuss this?
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Reini

Re: [RFC] 1.7 Packaging: X11

[Christopher Faylor]

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 03:25:27PM +0100, Reini Urban wrote:
>2008/10/31 Christopher Faylor <cgf-use-the-mailinglist-please@cygwin.com>:
>> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:07:39PM +0100, Reini Urban wrote:
>>>You could buy some at http://www.cygwin.com/donations.html
>>>The 5th entry
>>>I just did
>>
>> Hmm.  Very good idea but I got a "unable to decrypt the certificate id"
>> when I clicked there.  Does anyone else have this problem?
>
>Me too, because there are linebreaks in the certificate.

Fixed.

cgf

Re: [RFC] 1.7 Packaging: X11

[Yaakov (Cygwin Ports)]

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Christopher Faylor wrote:
> Hmm.  Very good idea but I got a "unable to decrypt the certificate id"
> when I clicked there.  Does anyone else have this problem?

The link WFM in Firefox 3; didn't try going any further than that.


Yaakov
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