From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.75]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2C2C3858C5F for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2023 20:13:37 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.2 sourceware.org F2C2C3858C5F Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=towo.net Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=towo.net Received: from [192.168.178.74] ([91.65.53.39]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue106 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mq2Sa-1rOXJq23JS-00n9wG for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2023 22:13:36 +0200 Message-ID: <5332985b-f48b-4968-88e4-6612b1b0856b@towo.net> Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2023 22:13:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Bonfire of the Packages To: cygwin-apps@cygwin.com References: <30524a03-4924-4aa0-9ebf-e5a0808226c2@dronecode.org.uk> From: Thomas Wolff Autocrypt: addr=towo@towo.net; keydata= xsDNBGNaf3QBDACVevqudcTSevLThXKQPU1QpaDxtGuYjtwmr7i9wXxVGih4Y4oxOJN4PYlu KBX9IVAI4651dA+xYtXuyIkWOPZWyyzkGKavQOn3Q7dk09oj7bh2IwOndpxXXde337D408EQ bQEGbMHr9lOWhSAideowzgCeFIvGTf2AovbPh97HpexJn1/HCRiRAhTNlrkS1DByUgCAeEMK fEr6aGM/Ou29MT+eTnQwOIZTnl9Z9LxM2FtqqMH3MycC7I2OoW3XXhuL8BPQdyJUjWa0/J11 Oo5jFkRXtWenIns6jGn18oW72jnDmo9jXwwS+iZWAV6Y51nhD7jSC+3xs9ORmPCdtHUSpTr1 zh67UueUJ3DUUNVuA25Hn/9EJMJ2L60BGUEr88NEB6pcZhmcwdkurAQeYT6t+frzBz2ctsoN BoxP/Xc02yd+z7hXWRRMrJWh9WHlQHA3Z4FfmyNhyPhs3MgKTJ1E9QfzGquigAmF3/k/Dc1m 7cSOKhGYhpEJdSpdXccJFKkAEQEAAc0cVGhvbWFzIFdvbGZmIDx0b3dvQHRvd28ubmV0PsLB BwQTAQgAMRYhBHUiRKsHn5d8BpWdP8bz0e72Bp0CBQJjWn93AhsDBAsJCAcFFQgJCgsFFgID AQAACgkQxvPR7vYGnQKSMAv8Di+8MXB2mcfsemRdShfLLKcLOv+d0CXAtPVaY3XKxbKpRvC9 +AAT5wIHYjQft77/b2y87vGIh+nQ5hKLtNtQPSDtqG/Igkb5jAXpLi28fSUzgM96DvARmwve 5wSnAU3prxH+Y63YpOpslEcGMRoEtYCDy1ANMYPcEZT/YvDd4CplyyEai4VYrw3/LsESDYlY GK6uMQzZ1jl2cNOUFu6BwLUeZIcwaqGto8n4R4nbf4jxUEpa21bWBPqE+Jf49uipjPr/iJ72 5HbdWuuCfyTTJEJjfNEBigWP2RXM9iNDcO61V3aEjh76tThfBK2MMlLWfZkQaQziu24x8R4B I0efJYWBX2Sv2qnsH/EWj7FUIZjRqGG7LnWHLShfG6yjSOTOWYi8BbsvoftpaLWgZX28aGX4 uzuSZ5L0caXh/pr/gSgqoH/YbuFIgqtQH4seOBgTybd22Vpe78rnc+8450pN8qwchHAZaJka UxS0SpYxXzXmHUKILA4C43s0U/z2Mez9zsDNBGNaf3cBDADeJ7paMrb6f1+k8wM7tyk0/Ded KX/pOejt/D20Ceerw2iL/4tUmBL+A3ic2yjiSFUSsEfHwgCVwKrn4MwZtkesdiphm2lk6xWc k1ENCQy44QwQT6UZ/mHWYWcj5LS6ua183x1zdn9iF3lv150nm/ssw56D7USz/ap1Vh0lf5te D+CIheGLocVDqxWiu7rHP8jKRWFgq/+OU6HKX8p2Yv1oYsykh9qF2bFzawLDS+S1VbfRicfD G0RtceL/BAf7b6UE5u9TGdfrFEa2TKZeS/FS/ViKUfwsXQIki1sWt2FQENbuDY28vxyR46ZZ 0gixDCFUoBw5pkmOGVQa+1RQYrRqlN4X0CAgp7mFVeEHl5NTgiL1bemkQVmHOUDG+CzNg+Lk UGoedAtT672l3JjrnSs4j8zNshpgV2OfAhAC+V9XvqCjMnxzVfXkVlbuWpPfUWQeFclLGg8P agpQUE0Ux+VV4DoeQCxYEnRCf/n7n+IRfILj5+2l6Zw4M7zSu6ii0tUAEQEAAcLA9gQYAQgA IBYhBHUiRKsHn5d8BpWdP8bz0e72Bp0CBQJjWn97AhsMAAoJEMbz0e72Bp0CQr4L/REdT0SF mbapnZIe92THCdtAUgwEv8VdNiNFBJelz8P/fuXuNPtisYvQQD4e64zpWe2UC4Cxo9DUk/pW 6Qci1xaXRKEiSPjHdSGGVB1PFIcqiS75GCf/ga/Dnfsy0Y4Uh6OGTQnkvZLBCe3vvcVLDQ7F PuV79zA9/eOeOW6aGoO6bq/wH+z96f9LyTITkQDy07fm6JYTGuzAoJE2AEboU1mgbtlx+tAa QFkpAQkp2g1Vhc3A7k4vntlHOrjMC+uVFh7QTGFfIlLRF6izUjSe6EZ06LErzlIiE05RP3yF FSRWidW0wze26peYlxYVgH1+T9wMTW2oiTBybfAMHBAxUP7Gr1WUo/oJEr0srWhatz8AwydP y7NwFbdpYn0NcFBaIlLW/JL11Eovwlivow+oGpzGFuuzSuflp2q9s2JWtn4EhW0kEs93D0LP iuJWvRaCZ6aD3uF3FMW8wyVWZYsLrzune2jH8w/uKMprDEOGOm+BcyhEFedTyY1ygbZKl+0G kQ== In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; 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Alternatively, > 'promote' the abandoned packages to "testing". After a period of time > in "abandoned" or "testing", the packages could be removed to a holding > area, but not yet deleted, since this is the time that some people might > start to notice. It would be nice to be able to restore packages > relatively quickly during this period. Finally, after another period of > time passes, delete the package. > > Cheers, Glenn I have two packages that were not updated for 7 years for a while, for different reasons, but are still maintained. What criteria would you have in mind? I don't think this is a reasonable approach. Thomas