From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from omta002.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net (omta002.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net [3.97.99.33]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6348B384F6C8 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2022 20:00:03 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 sourceware.org 6348B384F6C8 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=SystematicSw.ab.ca Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=systematicsw.ab.ca Received: from shw-obgw-4001a.ext.cloudfilter.net ([10.228.9.142]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id xptto56zwyQ9exvucomNr4; Wed, 23 Nov 2022 20:00:02 +0000 Received: from [10.0.0.5] ([184.64.124.72]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id xvucow3Z5ibmAxvucobklF; Wed, 23 Nov 2022 20:00:02 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=YPCMdDKx c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=637e7bc2 a=oHm12aVswOWz6TMtn9zYKg==:117 a=oHm12aVswOWz6TMtn9zYKg==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=1qs8xaTfKMGJ52llNQgA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 Message-ID: <8880b14f-b404-edb0-16bb-7017b2b9bb79@SystematicSw.ab.ca> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 13:00:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.5.0 To: cygwin-apps@cygwin.com Subject: Re: Cygwin x86 end-of-life Reply-To: cygwin-apps@cygwin.com Content-Language: en-CA In-Reply-To: <8735aan1eb.fsf@Rainer.invalid> From: Brian Inglis Organization: Systematic Software Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfFgl169D4lEUqHu482cOu/BepEzRMQyhyNLXfZpHPQLsQMVfJSHO1/TcqVA9SzWkWRe4UqrfxOnNz2VHRupdwAjrKaPxiHZHm66ZozKhNJzh5E487zgW QNIVild6fLXnPWsWu6ZREDBm8ueqKrQnOU1TsLLJ9NbGlKE+dFnU8S5o1JHePYCDUhOwr9Oneiul07GinPscVnmVNgws+eCFEpE= X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1163.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,KAM_DMARC_STATUS,KAM_LAZY_DOMAIN_SECURITY,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_NONE,TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 22:07:56 +0100, Achim Gratz wrote: > Brian Inglis writes: >> As mingw64-i686 target is cross for native Windows 32, and we are >> dropping Cygwin support for Windows 32, should we not also be dropping >> cross support for native Windows 32, as so few people are using it, >> and software developers, packagers, and distros, including us, are >> dropping it as platform and target? > > I am unlikely to update that toolchain when I move gcc to version 12 or > later. So mingw64-i686 cross for native Windows 32 will soon be EoL, and an announcement should be made at some point. That may give us some feedback on whether there is much use of the Cygwin packages or whether those available from the Mingw64 project are preferred. >> Also there are 309 unmaintained mingw64 packages, so perhaps reducing >> the double (over the base package) extra work of maintaining mingw64 >> packages to a single extra cross might enable us to persuade some >> maintainers to pick up unmaintained native Windows 64 cross >> mingw64-x86_64 packages corresponding to the base packages they >> maintain? > > I can't speak for others, but on my end there's not been much of a > problem with having the MingW64 packages in two flavors in addition to > the Cygwin dual architecture builds. Maybe we'll end up supporting > ARM64 some way down the road and then it's going to be yet another > target again for packagers. A single package build uses all available cpu on my system (0-9% idle), and large packages or those with extensive tests take an hour per arch, so it's 4 hours duration, plus another 3(+/-1) to run on scallywag, sometimes overlapped. Not usually a problem unless a couple of those upgrade the same week. Dropping x86 and mingw64-i686 half that. Once that direction has been determined, perhaps we can suggest here that package maintainers pick up related unmaintained mingw64-x86_64 packages, and post a list of the suggestions, or a report like the deprecated library and unmaintained packages reports linked from the search page. -- Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada La perfection est atteinte Perfection is achieved non pas lorsqu'il n'y a plus rien à ajouter not when there is no more to add mais lorsqu'il n'y a plus rien à retirer but when there is no more to cut -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry