From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99B9B384F00C for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 13:58:35 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 sourceware.org 99B9B384F00C Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=towo.net Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=towo.net Received: from [192.168.178.72] ([91.65.247.133]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MplHR-1pJbAy1k0D-00qBvo for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 14:58:33 +0100 Message-ID: <8c4c7949-bc76-a2f5-f3e1-b537b16a8e7f@towo.net> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 14:58:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.4.2 Subject: Re: Cygwin x86 end-of-life To: cygwin-apps@cygwin.com References: <13518d55-4b3c-cefd-166d-d41ec7f1a70d@dronecode.org.uk> <72f286a1-7bea-d3ca-fbef-de55c15d9e28@towo.net> <87fsep8e3t.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <96fd446b-5c5f-6304-9eda-c007cb33196e@dronecode.org.uk> <93ad1bbe-b1a7-0133-5382-2ba7a4ccc549@towo.net> From: Thomas Wolff In-Reply-To: <93ad1bbe-b1a7-0133-5382-2ba7a4ccc549@towo.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:UQm7h3Eex4bSwy+gNTAvR77VEVsogscAweLTnqsGz0NhJB3XKwd ZpNCTwnR513+nMexTXOuAyrLWSyfXXcmmJDkgPCVvoFHbdPMwdvqGnriXuQke/r0FpdXEWU GPCaWXzXoD0pwRZemvjD7KCdcJD/4s/vjG4sYQlpS61AzSGh+J51ktllDDQxW+mQ/7OzazX 0mwPMQeQKYjipc6yRKYCQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:zfuwF7UAP2M=:omPtxvD89c7OVng8RTIQeh LCKkjgNmMC0xOckrX5oDoXgajBPam6KQ/8KdPcHX6awQ/RAreUguFDILoqYMhXOVl5EtCRxHw zUp0X+EC58zE6o6ssW+9kBbj4UAA2ujZtBdlKMMj7LQl4QSPI+MSRf6oHUjWCDXF6Fc0Mys2y EDs8ZJUzsZ2l9XHizVu6QpcTcoq0yTTkaQkN9ORfhxOg1w7y169gyj6F6T10mvEZY1aayi8DX GkgVs1RxjfToSxnkQ33w4Oxf+kr3PvKKm5iz/nSIiRH724qoslTxwe5p0me7G7iM75qTKjxgR Zdxyz5nHmkcI8tpw3q+WnkHYYyDdRTEJn51UXubHzSqPRI7sl/Mv1nqERjrMNjOo8d6BX38tg w0UVE/Ygiy8llSmj986yjXv+v+cSCPUNV59UpLh5YgFNHrSBZ3AH1nTEOy6hoURnJXSohnQXy 71y9K820kMmgX5/Wq9WYsX45pWPgm1P+lIHoHbxixaiU25KlEbQhoAMHfhNUYPu4jj5vX5SkR fTAccCrkSCjkTqlZ1HpSoiy9tC5Vg7NtvWuPhCGBMCcRbInj5N+Ez79lO6nBfoc3gGTe8A5W5 bJkwT49CJ/5JkgjEsdlpWxKsaAcvFj4gzz+9demGGBFRSv0DT0TdE/fzuHIneXlSkLVV9VZ10 7qS+hsecAdmyfnK/NucbIpb19kM/n9znOnwjFE+DFChvyPlSqlXCMob4oxtCiIS8F8vuHQcfd L9ssJnXDtarSxEWeLxJ6LioITXxvDXnIqnmi1txTI95Npq0EOtaQIng7NG08wZNBvBBhEsxMg mUzukNa X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,KAM_DMARC_STATUS,KAM_LAZY_DOMAIN_SECURITY,NICE_REPLY_A,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_NONE,TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: Am 12.11.2022 um 17:58 schrieb Thomas Wolff: > > Am 12.11.2022 um 17:08 schrieb Jon Turney: >> On 11/11/2022 20:02, Thomas Wolff wrote: >>> Hi Achim, >>> >>> Am 11.11.2022 um 20:50 schrieb Achim Gratz: >>>> Thomas Wolff writes: >>>>>> I plan to pause package uploads this coming Monday (2022-11-14), >>>>>> before starting the re-organization of the package repository to >>>>>> make this archive. >>>>> Although expected for a while, the exact date is now a very >>>>> short-time >>>>> announcement. Can we have a moratorium for a short while? >> >> So, if not now, when? > Well, first, I think it's not a good idea to change and over-interpret > a plan in this way. The announcement for a year or so has been "cygwin > 3.4 will not support 32 bit anymore". This does not imply that the > repository will be closed so any other package would not be allowed > anymore to provide updates. What about security updates? Basic > functionality? > I think a plan to freeze the repository would need a separate and > explicit announcement, and some decent period from then. >> >> Is this actually going to cause you problems, and if so what are they >> specifically, or is this just a case of "change is bad"? > Well I would certainly wish to upload a few more updates for mintty > also for 32 bit, and also one other package of mine, to know their > 32-bit packages are in a good final state. Mintty 3.6.1, for instance, > has an exotic crash condition to be fixed but I wouldn't like to make > an upload in a hurry this weekend. ... Also I'd like to see the hopefully upcoming fix for the grep package in the final 32 bit version. >> >>>> That moratorium is already running for more than a year: >>>> >>>> https://cygwin.com/pipermail/cygwin/2021-October/249690.html >>> That message does not announce a blocking of further 32-bit package >>> uploads, and not a precise date for such hard step either. So please >>> let's not commit a violation of the principle of least surprise. >> >> Sorry if this was communicated in a surprising way, but there is also >> another, important principle at work here, the principle of least >> effort, or as we might call it in this application "the principle of >> not inventing more work for Jon Turney to do". > Understood, but is it really work to just not touch the repository for > another few weeks?