From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F26763858281 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2022 16:58:43 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 sourceware.org F26763858281 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=towo.net Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=towo.net Received: from [192.168.178.72] ([91.65.247.133]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue009 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mgek8-1pU3Th3XXo-00hAEy; Sat, 12 Nov 2022 17:58:41 +0100 Message-ID: <93ad1bbe-b1a7-0133-5382-2ba7a4ccc549@towo.net> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 17:58:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.4.2 Subject: Re: Cygwin x86 end-of-life To: Jon Turney , "cygwin-apps@cygwin.com" References: <13518d55-4b3c-cefd-166d-d41ec7f1a70d@dronecode.org.uk> <72f286a1-7bea-d3ca-fbef-de55c15d9e28@towo.net> <87fsep8e3t.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <96fd446b-5c5f-6304-9eda-c007cb33196e@dronecode.org.uk> From: Thomas Wolff In-Reply-To: <96fd446b-5c5f-6304-9eda-c007cb33196e@dronecode.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:1j/wUwHj9gEhQzxMjRF7azB8nRw8xGtJHn74hoL9fLrC7z0qK0j pqFQU6yHqeh/1P6tNKZqsPDZsDtklR/9b82gcwzgHhFFbokaqtvf4EuFyVhl93kkjMHFASW TOICyosnFIwXtdry+PJUvsgzsGGeCnnKEx+b64Peb0Hv/4/TL+1NYjDyM4M4DReCt+bY98r a3kC67uekTviRu4bBsgBw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:whsigwPppC8=:KMGRoB7iOLW3YYPz9pH2M1 eNsXm/zJ/YfexvZgI5VsMkQaqYyYOe3FRbcvUJgfpdMv8lb4TTVCxOPTfvSBgI0lE1MJfvKQk 3WYsKO5gvPiFiTEin7Ugo2wSQT5nuuCh3ggeRymjES9Op0Ld4Ey72EvYayh2FY07DikW5hUuW fG+IBWZY2Uaq8fi9lEs+5anHM2rztJiz3V8wmMBS5QEucgVpeHVwMnT9Ld9c4N0bB10FCH/aB 8TfdustQKrz7B4J/IeGKHWlv7+kJ3FGwAG4GqtnSWQs4MrGh48BFPD+QsP1geqGtNs68OhXVL +WKHNpCB+Lskz08kiEh9BdukiB1oJ1wZlMXXtvv+8l8dQOhUh2GrsJ+j1bi8Sgj1ht3SA+C/U zodqnV+YyfBO8EOm/feB9dQ6ZyhbZxSyLakBt3foo1PHktw9SI82YNu4RRkwH5wZXHU1nbPkp J3MWXco/T53EPigM8GkyZOF8mVzCEwtUUa8Cr1+RgTqgXD7OaP0CAZjyAulCx9zuAhqZSXN7T 3630E+888Tl9Y7jNX6CrknIBEGWjTD7D3RFuPcec5zDUU84EAFJwWJZRc+UfS9lhQFsPuqI3u ApSjzqsBhJzv3lpopCWkyNWf17NiHZohxlQPCod+R5Uap4RCZs7c9bS4Bc8mETgVGvzdw7XYg Bmqc8pgJFPp2SsShlY78Cohwq26Eh49yDVlqwJTU/m4bLKQuhGowtqd6G+VWjZAJ48/knbFzR ooHnjrSr9l+iBM7cDL8eWMNMFGHPcVbWZ2YL2ZZQzSGXd7ACe2QF/iVK2REki+zgxKVWSFrDA HgudOCNE7saW9tuGRMh+IFTQaf40HTW7n8ja/Lq9wKOAqGmF1u53c3yGrxO3U7EnnH6B16w2T OkN+uKPnIljFMaKbMgf4c6zUDPAY6Qbp5kSxs5LymZRVQD0pe8WkBrvquiF5j5D3/k3AgMVl9 ENhYEw0mdjWlDL1J0XVCgjYEcskwdFLIlDSDUWa6znuPi36KBPHH0JABYpjWdv/y4ZcZaiJ2E 4llm3nrJafeaJMg/8nof44mOM04RRfY5IvCkMQNhRBSk2Zr5Dh2FTyQMRoWwaAnRmMi88Y9me +qD8ivSReganhmpNkurcT+u0K4+9Mj0VSRR2mI6MyyPDUPV9hpTxAyXkd9Xv7jmqlT+YAptuH Z+XA2AMzkKHSwE/rt36QTL4eZDkMQ2VpvGyiour6JGjXzW6boeP8io/bZzj4z4OGqNcd8u199 UpxxX1cEORUr1bRN4250YnKC/VNzUhJ6H3Or4vI0IOxgPG9yRmurp0s7icVewFX1mZyS7FXOF gdeppUTw X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,KAM_DMARC_STATUS,KAM_LAZY_DOMAIN_SECURITY,NICE_REPLY_A,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_NONE,TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: Am 12.11.2022 um 17:08 schrieb Jon Turney: > On 11/11/2022 20:02, Thomas Wolff wrote: >> Hi Achim, >> >> Am 11.11.2022 um 20:50 schrieb Achim Gratz: >>> Thomas Wolff writes: >>>>> I plan to pause package uploads this coming Monday (2022-11-14), >>>>> before starting the re-organization of the package repository to >>>>> make this archive. >>>> Although expected for a while, the exact date is now a very short-time >>>> announcement. Can we have a moratorium for a short while? > > So, if not now, when? Well, first, I think it's not a good idea to change and over-interpret a plan in this way. The announcement for a year or so has been "cygwin 3.4 will not support 32 bit anymore". This does not imply that the repository will be closed so any other package would not be allowed anymore to provide updates. What about security updates? Basic functionality? I think a plan to freeze the repository would need a separate and explicit announcement, and some decent period from then. > > Is this actually going to cause you problems, and if so what are they > specifically, or is this just a case of "change is bad"? Well I would certainly wish to upload a few more updates for mintty also for 32 bit, and also one other package of mine, to know their 32-bit packages are in a good final state. Mintty 3.6.1, for instance, has an exotic crash condition to be fixed but I wouldn't like to make an upload in a hurry this weekend. > >>> That moratorium is already running for more than a year: >>> >>> https://cygwin.com/pipermail/cygwin/2021-October/249690.html >> That message does not announce a blocking of further 32-bit package >> uploads, and not a precise date for such hard step either. So please >> let's not commit a violation of the principle of least surprise. > > Sorry if this was communicated in a surprising way, but there is also > another, important principle at work here, the principle of least > effort, or as we might call it in this application "the principle of > not inventing more work for Jon Turney to do". Understood, but is it really work to just not touch the repository for another few weeks?