From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16242 invoked by alias); 28 Jul 2011 05:50:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 16205 invoked by uid 22791); 28 Jul 2011 05:50:23 -0000 X-SWARE-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Received: from mail-pz0-f52.google.com (HELO mail-pz0-f52.google.com) (209.85.210.52) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.43rc1) with ESMTP; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 05:50:10 +0000 Received: by pzd13 with SMTP id 13so4025394pzd.11 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 22:50:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.36.228 with SMTP id t4mr1168031pbj.302.1311832209629; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 22:50:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.66.35 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 22:50:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E307EEA.7040404@etr-usa.com> References: <20110725091106.GN29727@calimero.vinschen.de> <4E2E05DD.40101@cwilson.fastmail.fm> <4E2E0847.3060004@cwilson.fastmail.fm> <20110726110134.GU29727@calimero.vinschen.de> <4E2EB916.6000501@etr-usa.com> <20110727074143.GV29727@calimero.vinschen.de> <4E304B49.2070308@etr-usa.com> <4E307EEA.7040404@etr-usa.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 05:50:00 -0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 256x256 px icons From: Andy Koppe To: cygwin-apps@cygwin.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-IsSubscribed: yes Mailing-List: contact cygwin-apps-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Sender: cygwin-apps-owner@cygwin.com List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Mail-Followup-To: cygwin-apps@cygwin.com X-SW-Source: 2011-07/txt/msg00152.txt.bz2 On 27 July 2011 22:11, Warren Young wrote: > On 7/27/2011 2:04 PM, Andy Koppe wrote: >> >> - The 16x16 has white dots in the corners. > > That was a feature. But you no like it, I make go 'way. Thanks. >> - There are black edges around the icons. Those need to be transparent. > > Why? > > I purposely redrew the edges in the smaller icons for contrast and clarity. > (Among other things.) Because the Konsole icon edges are black, I made the > semitransparent pixels you get from simple downsampling pure black. If all > you want is the blurry mess you get from a direct downsample, there's no > point in having the smaller icons at all. > > Maybe a dark gray would make you happier? Something that approximates the > appearance of a thin black line blending into the background the icon is > being matted on, without trying to make use of alpha blending? > > My old skool heritage is showing. I've been trained not to use alpha > blending a 32 px and below. When I was a boy, all we had was 8 bpp with one > color reserved for yes/no transparency, AND WE LIKED IT. > > Is this outmoded? Will XP do the right thing with RGBA for 16 px icons? Is > that a good idea regardless, or is old skool the only skool? I don't know about that. What I do know is that the Konsole icon looks fine to me, including at 16px, and that I haven't had any complaints about it. To me, the black/grey border just looked like something went wrong with transparency during the conversion. Also, at 16px, the left and right sides of the terminal screen's frame have actually gone. >> - Contrast and saturation are rather low. I think it would be better >> to overlay the Cygwin symbol on top of the terminal rather than >> blending them. > > Here it is: > > http://etr-usa.com/cygwin/mintty-icon/no-text.ico That looks a lot better, thanks. Nice work removing the prompt. Did you go back to the original SVG to do that? > It also has the gray edges on the smaller icons instead of black, and > transparent corners in the 16x16. > > I had to remove the text, which makes the result not as clearly a terminal. > At 256 and arguably at 48 px, you can figure out that it might be a > terminal, especially if you've seen the icon in its previous incarnation. > At 32 px and below, I challenge anyone to honestly tell me that there is > any sense of "terminal" left in this version. Fair point. > One could make an argument for going back to the plain old Konsole icon. > Maybe one icon cannot serve two masters. Just to be clear: I'd be happy with the modernized Cygwin icon too. I still prefer both that and the Konsole icon over the combined one (even ignoring the issue with the non-transparent border). Thanks again for putting in this effort to have something tangible to compare with. Andy