From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 68362 invoked by alias); 7 Jul 2015 23:40:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact cygwin-apps-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Sender: cygwin-apps-owner@cygwin.com List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Mail-Followup-To: cygwin-apps@cygwin.com Received: (qmail 68347 invoked by uid 89); 7 Jul 2015 23:40:19 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-HELO: mail-yk0-f173.google.com Received: from mail-yk0-f173.google.com (HELO mail-yk0-f173.google.com) (209.85.160.173) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.93/v0.84-503-g423c35a) with (AES128-GCM-SHA256 encrypted) ESMTPS; Tue, 07 Jul 2015 23:40:17 +0000 Received: by ykdr198 with SMTP id r198so192593364ykd.3 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2015 16:40:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.170.111.146 with SMTP id d140mr8044416ykb.29.1436312415542; Tue, 07 Jul 2015 16:40:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.214.10 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 16:40:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <559C2FF2.4040902@towo.net> References: <1436224349-9160-1-git-send-email-yselkowi@redhat.com> <559BA021.5080508@towo.net> <1436269667.1924.17.camel@cygwin.com> <559C2FF2.4040902@towo.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 23:40:00 -0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [PATCH mintty] Add an XWin XDG menu entry From: Michael DePaulo To: cygwin-apps@cygwin.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-IsSubscribed: yes X-SW-Source: 2015-07/txt/msg00028.txt.bz2 On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Thomas Wolff wrote: > Am 07.07.2015 um 13:47 schrieb Yaakov Selkowitz: >> >> On Tue, 2015-07-07 at 11:47 +0200, Thomas Wolff wrote: >>> >>> On 07.07.2015 01:12, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: >>>> >>>> --- >>>> Thomas, could you please ship a new release with this patch ASAP? >>> >>> Are you sure this is desired? Mintty isn't related to X Windows; >> >> Well, not for a full X desktop, and that's the reason for the >> OnlyShowIn. But within the context of a multiwindow session it makes >> sense to provide this option. > > OK, anyone else to approve this? Sorry I'm asking but some people might > think it's alien in an X menu. > (Would that addition actually pass without a mintty dependency on xdg? > Otherwise, since mintty is in cygwin-base, xdg itself could also include the > entry.) > Thomas I think this makes sense because: 1. Many people prefer mintty over X11 terminals. 2. Many non-technical users do not understand what X11 is. They probably just know that they they can launch Cygwin "Apps" from this taskbar menu, and the Cygwin terminal is seemingly another Cygwin "App". Believe me, I have seen misconceptions about X11 at work, even from users who use terminals. [1] 3. From an end-user's perspective, mintty isn't significantly different from an X11 app in MultiWindow mode. For example, mintty has native window decorations like most X11 apps do, you can share clipboard between mintty and X11 apps, etc. [1]. A user was using a proprietary Windows X server with XDMCP, and she thought that the remote machine's login screen (display manager's greeter), desktop environment, terminal emulator, etc was part of the X server. She was amazed that they did not change when I migrated her to Cygwin XWin with XDMCP. (Don't worry, I later migrated all my users to X2Go or X11 forwarded over SSH.)