From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.134]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50C093858291 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 19:17:32 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 sourceware.org 50C093858291 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=cygwin.com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=fail smtp.mailfrom=cygwin.com Received: from calimero.vinschen.de ([24.134.7.25]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MwQCb-1pCnJ11zzJ-00sMdg for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 20:17:30 +0100 Received: by calimero.vinschen.de (Postfix, from userid 500) id DD582A80756; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 20:17:29 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 20:17:29 +0100 From: Corinna Vinschen To: cygwin-apps@cygwin.com Subject: Re: Cygwin x86 end-of-life Message-ID: Reply-To: cygwin-apps@cygwin.com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin-apps@cygwin.com References: <13518d55-4b3c-cefd-166d-d41ec7f1a70d@dronecode.org.uk> <72f286a1-7bea-d3ca-fbef-de55c15d9e28@towo.net> <87fsep8e3t.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <96fd446b-5c5f-6304-9eda-c007cb33196e@dronecode.org.uk> <93ad1bbe-b1a7-0133-5382-2ba7a4ccc549@towo.net> <12c02fd6-2a4e-842c-274a-cea9499c2457@dronecode.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <12c02fd6-2a4e-842c-274a-cea9499c2457@dronecode.org.uk> X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:U7ousZ2DUiNsrQuuzLWu0/+ptqe0aPx+wG82bTqUIhd4PtiLC79 9LMqWsV6tkqh+evu8lE88Uii2E+j4VCPYO2cVbFiKYWdTlBgCD2gWGvqZ5AKTzv7jeN86GT RnCMTAE+w2w99A6pCVQWRBPVji4/v9XKWm2W0E8XyFoKWLTe1RjEuZ598u8b8J3xLVnVzNU Sq3Y86AthMYKj3CJILZHw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:J+Xrp1t9tOk=:eWA8VhAalDEXLqF5fH/Iz6 PGkr4+8mj4IensE23O/bP1g63swMeV/fIHkhQ37wQrCdFdbHSCGe1HnfllzCtGMDoHlJssCQ8 8ryMZuR6gUakuGoJ5Gp1/euLAbLI9zjFq6eG4VDjBlkHMPl6w1wIGinpf1fp1mJaQTYSEZEC9 qjfoLdEPrYVhwVh83k/PLXdJPCVz65fwBnNfCuSeZz5MKS5THGG1eWPWahojXT9s6dniBGbdf MJihm59dAamI4DiLEUSVoBnovI7mHBhxbHr3AJ+V2jRxWx9Xd2rZP4IjWJAxPtnQ9jd7T/lNv rQT1JdbsKrMPcKUCRRu/1wQGeih/aHYKpnHaj6r5omqOXiPKkm7l7nn1U7OqqFNxJA42/NjlY qXnYsCePaEx27AVdvnfNQRe7lDtKDauhCHHLtHyh3Yvio5zRMs2GSrTMihzUxpnEQAjoHTqzl qRIaalSfxennfUxBaMYUwoFDKzXkwfbx03XPfALnGOfLrvNwKNQowWAPfCc3MHYTzKF7Oj+qT xxRb6gPoyFbAk3wMJx0a8hU+TEFqpuRylBjzAiKRoiN8ui9Q8QP2ZrposMYBm3CPyDkU0nvvp lYJYLBhsEPe6WeCkpysgZki2Y/qKuJXQBhu+rowY2cmAaVGycgF+vQUDhmubDQApgt40DTdHd wwBcm6zi6sphVhCUf0S9hXrz9NHFgzqSVVI8c+SjDr+exOOxe8V2i780wRueCq4FaAQ9hrEYX SGRB/o07WmR2AHuyKz8TpEEPlLhdN4PgT+6bh1jwJEUKnT3zVUcYsrfK0jKMBrsZnsr2i5rRi mPB1tZU4oM6Y3oI5jq9Rthsb7ioQg== X-Spam-Status: No, score=-95.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,GOOD_FROM_CORINNA_CYGWIN,KAM_DMARC_NONE,KAM_DMARC_STATUS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_FAIL,SPF_HELO_NONE,TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: On Nov 13 17:07, Jon Turney wrote: > On 12/11/2022 16:58, Thomas Wolff wrote: > > Am 12.11.2022 um 17:08 schrieb Jon Turney: > > > On 11/11/2022 20:02, Thomas Wolff wrote: > > > > Am 11.11.2022 um 20:50 schrieb Achim Gratz: > > > > > Thomas Wolff writes: > > > > > > > I plan to pause package uploads this coming Monday (2022-11-14), > > > > > > > before starting the re-organization of the package repository to > > > > > > > make this archive. > > > > > > Although expected for a while, the exact date is now a very short-time > > > > > > announcement. Can we have a moratorium for a short while? > > > > > > So, if not now, when? > > Well, first, I think it's not a good idea to change and over-interpret a > > plan in this way. The announcement for a year or so has been "cygwin 3.4 > > will not support 32 bit anymore". This does not imply that the > > repository will be closed so any other package would not be allowed > > anymore to provide updates. What about security updates? Basic > > functionality? > > Security is a complete red-herring here. We are not good at making timely > updates for that purpose, generally. To suggest that x86 will be receiving > security updates, when we've also said x86 is deprecated, and some > maintainers aren't updating it at all, makes no sense at all. > > The message needs to be: If you care about security, at the very least, > don't use x86 Cygwin. This is one of the reasons why I want to archive x86. > > If you think there is some broken "basic functionality" in the current > package set, please say what it is. If something critical is discovered > after the freeze, I am not totally ruling out permitting an exceptional > upload (although the case for criticality would have to be well made, as, > again this involves yet more work for me, to benefit a small percentage of > installations, and one would think that such critical problems would be > evident currently). Well said. Corinna