From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 105919 invoked by alias); 16 Jul 2018 13:54:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact cygwin-apps-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Sender: cygwin-apps-owner@cygwin.com List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Mail-Followup-To: cygwin-apps@cygwin.com Received: (qmail 105792 invoked by uid 89); 16 Jul 2018 13:54:09 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM,KAM_NUMSUBJECT,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.3.2 spammy=businesses, offer, HContent-Transfer-Encoding:8bit X-HELO: mail-it0-f67.google.com Received: from mail-it0-f67.google.com (HELO mail-it0-f67.google.com) (209.85.214.67) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.93/v0.84-503-g423c35a) with ESMTP; Mon, 16 Jul 2018 13:54:07 +0000 Received: by mail-it0-f67.google.com with SMTP id l16-v6so21416044ita.0 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2018 06:54:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:openpgp:autocrypt:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=YyEXLzkB1PuxiHQx/HxLTOjMkBE/XdKCQoNsD7TO7qc=; b=sVGeGYOtCERn+fLxCOBGHCl9p3bfX8kbOn8lRL2e+7j+tQFRDsX44SjtOzAluGQ+Xk tO8CyZWyUYOulNcFvYSklDxk5ppTmX11a/slbtymxsEEyIe0wtgJ5GgnhwMc8xImar7M PbfgEoKIpZgQ3NBECHdtEpmZGiGeN3QxMPeYIrCX3ZQ0B7XJoe0rNiFJdKMUlnaR1zMs wZ/OoQnXMg3v8SwbmYVbCvPFEjT2Lws4a2WY0kwyBDerT4zawbDyfNvnrUwY8JX4I+LO uSJsdfoyqB25H0gtlH4d+5Hme2Kh83/qm0n18lgW2Mpff9Utx6RS3CxEcds1pEgJgJ+U 1YbQ== Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([69.47.131.109]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m7-v6sm11459197iog.30.2018.07.16.06.54.04 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 16 Jul 2018 06:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [ITA] rsh-0.17-3 To: cygwin-apps@cygwin.com References: <20180716045535.af47b237719e6c55cd55a9f3@nifty.ne.jp> <87lgabshnb.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <20180716174907.6de89a81b55e404dc62a4e18@nifty.ne.jp> <87h8kzsgbv.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <20180716091644.GB7249@calimero.vinschen.de> <20180716093257.GC7249@calimero.vinschen.de> From: cyg Simple Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 13:54:00 -0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180716093257.GC7249@calimero.vinschen.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-IsSubscribed: yes X-SW-Source: 2018-07/txt/msg00046.txt.bz2 On 7/16/2018 5:32 AM, Corinna Vinschen wrote: > On Jul 16 11:16, Corinna Vinschen wrote: >> On Jul 16 11:03, Achim Gratz wrote: >>> Takashi Yano writes: >>>> I agree rlogin/rsh/rexec are outdated. However, most major Linux >>>> and BSD distributions still provide them as a package. >>>> >>>> Should not Cygwin follow these as well? >>> >>> Even on the UN*X side the r-tools have been deprecated for so long it >>> doesn't really make sense to use them anymore. The only sane way to use >>> them is in fully isolated networks and I haven't seen any of those in >>> decades. With Cygwin running on top of Windows there is ahole other set >>> of issues to deal with and that makes it even more inappropriate to even >>> offer those tools. IMHO, deferring to the security lead for Cygwin. >> >> We have a security lead? > > Personally I agree with Takashi, btw. Linux still provides the old r* > tools including rsh-server. There may still be legit uses of the tools > in controlled environments. if we remove all packages which can be used > to shoot yourself in the foot, there's not much left, I guess. > As security in businesses tend to require ssh over rsh the only use of rsh I've seen recently is for legacy applications that used rsh and currently have no maintenance. Does Cygwin have any of those? I think it would be a less than 1% chance. > As a compromise, we could continue to provide the client package and > just discontinue the server package, but it's your choice. > What use would there be even for the client? Even in my home mode connecting to BlueHost or any other such service I need ssh to connect to my server. -- cyg Simple