From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from omta001.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net (omta001.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net [3.97.99.32]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 76D97385D0D2 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2022 06:49:39 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 sourceware.org 76D97385D0D2 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=SystematicSw.ab.ca Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=systematicsw.ab.ca Received: from shw-obgw-4003a.ext.cloudfilter.net ([10.228.9.183]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id o5nwoRvuBS8WroJBSofVTO; Fri, 28 Oct 2022 06:49:38 +0000 Received: from [10.0.0.5] ([184.64.124.72]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id oJBRoC8hWiEh7oJBSoJLbS; Fri, 28 Oct 2022 06:49:38 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=O9kqATxW c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=635b7b82 a=oHm12aVswOWz6TMtn9zYKg==:117 a=oHm12aVswOWz6TMtn9zYKg==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=mDV3o1hIAAAA:8 a=9sSjY8p1AAAA:8 a=CCpqsmhAAAAA:8 a=7vT8eNxyAAAA:8 a=QA_mgeDTsgk-L5HMgjwA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=IaL9-fP9EcwA:10 a=_FVE-zBwftR9WsbkzFJk:22 a=ub54wNWiXv_DzeFsgEJW:22 a=ul9cdbp4aOFLsgKbc677:22 a=Mzmg39azMnTNyelF985k:22 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2022 00:49:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.4.0 To: cygwin-apps@cygwin.com Cc: Brian.Inglis@systematicsw.ab.ca References: Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Test: grep 3.8 - promotion to current stable Reply-To: cygwin-apps@cygwin.com Content-Language: en-CA From: Brian Inglis Organization: Systematic Software In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfFU7DVomacfaSffg+b7lg/xL0L5Vow3eGugLyh1LgH6nd9LcuLdkSyeEMt/EPN+OfxIRC1UAASqE0eskKfkyXcvpKn5+HtIf6tZSEZBgFAKzyzWBGEl4 RTTDX0S/tAqwuuETBLbKp3uk501ZbXTECsWgx1sVgG6CG39BmM85LVQLfD0XwsANdZ+sqgFLnbn3Kw30FpDer1CO3tWsaclyy6Y7zgoXJcZPzDamjQMniHgG Ux2hm6TKFX/CWhgcL6tFTw== X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1163.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,KAM_DMARC_STATUS,KAM_LAZY_DOMAIN_SECURITY,NICE_REPLY_A,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_NONE,TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 18:25:45 +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote > On Sep 29 12:55, Brian Inglis wrote: >> > /usr/share/doc/grep/ChangeLog >> > https://git.sv.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=grep.git;a=log;h=refs/tags/v3.8 >> > >> > The change note below states that egrep and fgrep are deprecated >> > obsolescent commands, will be dropped in future, and from this release >> > until then, every use will show a stderr warning message, reminding you >> > how to change your commands and scripts: >> > >> > $ egrep ... >> > egrep: warning: egrep is obsolescent; using grep -E >> > ... >> > $ fgrep ... >> > fgrep: warning: fgrep is obsolescent; using grep -F >> > ... > Please do everyone a favor and remove those warnings. egrep and fgrep > are used abundantly in existing scripts and the user often has no choice > or no knowledge how to fix this. If this is an upstream change, it's a > bad one, breaking backward compatibility. Please fix this at least for > our distro. This was released as test at the start of September, reiterated at the end of September on this list, then promoted to current stable and announced early October: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/info-gnu/2022-09/msg00001.html and these issues were SlashDotted then: https://news.slashdot.org/story/22/09/05/0135254/gnu-grep-38-starts-issuing-warnings-about-using-egrep-and-fgrep https://inbox.sourceware.org/cygwin-announce/20220904140803.17862-1-Brian.Inglis@SystematicSW.ab.ca/ https://inbox.sourceware.org/cygwin-apps/021f494d-dac8-12b2-b49d-7bf6d56068a4@SystematicSw.ab.ca/ https://inbox.sourceware.org/cygwin-announce/20221002155559.36122-1-Brian.Inglis@SystematicSW.ab.ca/ I received no feedback to these notices on the announce, cygwin and apps lists from users, maintainers, or developers. This release is in Fedora Rawhide unpatched and targeted for Fedora 38. Please note that these warnings are giving notice that egrep and fgrep have been deprecated as obsolescent for 15 years and will be dropped as commands as they have never been in POSIX, GREP_COLOR is obsolescent and treated like GREP_COLORS, unspecified or invalid regular expression warning diagnostics are now being issued on stderr as they will be treated as errors in future releases, "binary file matches" messages on stderr may no longer be suppressed, and invalid bracket expressions are now being treated as errors, with appropriate diagnostics and exit codes. I will not be suprised if Paul enforces these changes in the next release, in about a year. -- Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada La perfection est atteinte Perfection is achieved non pas lorsqu'il n'y a plus rien à ajouter not when there is no more to add mais lorsqu'il n'y a plus rien à retirer but when there is no more to cut -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry