* YA set of new 64bit packages
@ 2013-02-22 12:46 Corinna Vinschen
2013-02-22 13:38 ` Andy Koppe
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From: Corinna Vinschen @ 2013-02-22 12:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin-developers
I just uploaded
ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit/binary-toolchain-x86_64-pc-linux-x-x86_64-pc-cygwin-20130222.tar.xz
ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit/install/base-cygwin-toolchain-install-first-20130222.x86_64.tar.xz
ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit/bootstrap.sh
ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit/x86_64-pc-cygwin-binutils-20130222.patch
ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit/x86_64-pc-cygwin-gcc-20130222.patch
This enables shared libgcc, libstdc++, and friends. It also contains a
*backward* *incompatible* change to the DLL entry points. If your
application uses the get_osfhandle or the setmode function, you have to
rebuild. This affected gawk, so I uploaded a new gawk package, too:
ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit/install/gawk-4.0.2-2.x86_64.tar.xz
There may be other uploaded packages affected as well, so there's no
guarantee that everything in the 64bit install dir still works.
Ok, I guess that's it for the weekend.
Happy testing,
Corinna
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* Re: YA set of new 64bit packages
2013-02-22 12:46 YA set of new 64bit packages Corinna Vinschen
@ 2013-02-22 13:38 ` Andy Koppe
2013-02-22 14:35 ` Corinna Vinschen
2013-02-22 20:33 ` Corinna Vinschen
2013-02-28 11:26 ` Corinna Vinschen
2 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Andy Koppe @ 2013-02-22 13:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin-developers
On 22 February 2013 12:45, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> I just uploaded
>
> ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit/binary-toolchain-x86_64-pc-linux-x-x86_64-pc-cygwin-20130222.tar.xz
With this, I'm still getting the issue with w32api libs not being
found. It's not holding me up in any way though, so I don't mind if
you want to ignore it.
$ x86_64-pc-cygwin-gcc test.c
/home/andy/opt/x86_64-pc-cygwin/bin/../lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-cygwin/4.8.0/../../../../x86_64-pc-cygwin/bin/ld:
cannot find -ladvapi32
/home/andy/opt/x86_64-pc-cygwin/bin/../lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-cygwin/4.8.0/../../../../x86_64-pc-cygwin/bin/ld:
cannot find -lshell32
/home/andy/opt/x86_64-pc-cygwin/bin/../lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-cygwin/4.8.0/../../../../x86_64-pc-cygwin/bin/ld:
cannot find -luser32
/home/andy/opt/x86_64-pc-cygwin/bin/../lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-cygwin/4.8.0/../../../../x86_64-pc-cygwin/bin/ld:
cannot find -lkernel32
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
$ x86_64-pc-cygwin-gcc --version
x86_64-pc-cygwin-gcc (GCC) 4.8.0 20130222 (experimental)
A workaround is to add -L`x86_64-pc-cygwin-gcc
-print-file-name=w32api` to the command line.
Andy
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* Re: YA set of new 64bit packages
2013-02-22 13:38 ` Andy Koppe
@ 2013-02-22 14:35 ` Corinna Vinschen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Corinna Vinschen @ 2013-02-22 14:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin-developers
On Feb 22 13:38, Andy Koppe wrote:
> On 22 February 2013 12:45, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> > I just uploaded
> >
> > ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit/binary-toolchain-x86_64-pc-linux-x-x86_64-pc-cygwin-20130222.tar.xz
>
> With this, I'm still getting the issue with w32api libs not being
> found. It's not holding me up in any way though, so I don't mind if
> you want to ignore it.
>
> $ x86_64-pc-cygwin-gcc test.c
> /home/andy/opt/x86_64-pc-cygwin/bin/../lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-cygwin/4.8.0/../../../../x86_64-pc-cygwin/bin/ld:
> cannot find -ladvapi32
> /home/andy/opt/x86_64-pc-cygwin/bin/../lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-cygwin/4.8.0/../../../../x86_64-pc-cygwin/bin/ld:
> cannot find -lshell32
> /home/andy/opt/x86_64-pc-cygwin/bin/../lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-cygwin/4.8.0/../../../../x86_64-pc-cygwin/bin/ld:
> cannot find -luser32
> /home/andy/opt/x86_64-pc-cygwin/bin/../lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-cygwin/4.8.0/../../../../x86_64-pc-cygwin/bin/ld:
> cannot find -lkernel32
> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
>
> $ x86_64-pc-cygwin-gcc --version
> x86_64-pc-cygwin-gcc (GCC) 4.8.0 20130222 (experimental)
>
> A workaround is to add -L`x86_64-pc-cygwin-gcc
> -print-file-name=w32api` to the command line.
>
> Andy
Does it help if you add a symlink /usr/cygnus -> /home/andy/opt?
Alternatively try a symlink /ext/redhat, or install the toolchain there
In my build env /ext/redhat is the real dir, /opt/redhat and /usr/cygnus
are historical symlinks I'm often still using for configuring. Old
customs die hard...
Corinna
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* Re: YA set of new 64bit packages
2013-02-22 12:46 YA set of new 64bit packages Corinna Vinschen
2013-02-22 13:38 ` Andy Koppe
@ 2013-02-22 20:33 ` Corinna Vinschen
2013-02-25 15:17 ` Corinna Vinschen
2013-02-28 11:26 ` Corinna Vinschen
2 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Corinna Vinschen @ 2013-02-22 20:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin-developers
On Feb 22 13:45, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> I just uploaded
>
> ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit/binary-toolchain-x86_64-pc-linux-x-x86_64-pc-cygwin-20130222.tar.xz
> ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit/install/base-cygwin-toolchain-install-first-20130222.x86_64.tar.xz
> ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit/bootstrap.sh
> ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit/x86_64-pc-cygwin-binutils-20130222.patch
> ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit/x86_64-pc-cygwin-gcc-20130222.patch
>
> This enables shared libgcc, libstdc++, and friends. It also contains a
> *backward* *incompatible* change to the DLL entry points. If your
> application uses the get_osfhandle or the setmode function, you have to
> rebuild. This affected gawk, so I uploaded a new gawk package, too:
>
> ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit/install/gawk-4.0.2-2.x86_64.tar.xz
>
> There may be other uploaded packages affected as well, so there's no
> guarantee that everything in the 64bit install dir still works.
>
> Ok, I guess that's it for the weekend.
Not quite. I added
ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit/install/coreutils-8.14-2.x86_64.tar.xz
ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit/install/grep-2.6.3-2.x86_64.tar.xz
since both were affected by the aforementioned, backward incompatible
change.
/me is going to have a weekend now.
Corinna
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* Re: YA set of new 64bit packages
2013-02-22 20:33 ` Corinna Vinschen
@ 2013-02-25 15:17 ` Corinna Vinschen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Corinna Vinschen @ 2013-02-25 15:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin-developers
On Feb 22 21:32, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> On Feb 22 13:45, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> > I just uploaded
> > [...stuff...]
> > Ok, I guess that's it for the weekend.
>
> Not quite. I added
>
> ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit/install/coreutils-8.14-2.x86_64.tar.xz
> ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit/install/grep-2.6.3-2.x86_64.tar.xz
>
> since both were affected by the aforementioned, backward incompatible
> change.
>
> /me is going to have a weekend now.
Not quite as I expected, but over the weekend I came up with a patch to
enable exception handling on x86_64. Thanks to Kai Tietz for giving the
clue about RtlVirtualUnwind.
ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit/install/base-cygwin-toolchain-install-first-20130225.x86_64.tar.xz
Corinna
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* Re: YA set of new 64bit packages
2013-02-22 12:46 YA set of new 64bit packages Corinna Vinschen
2013-02-22 13:38 ` Andy Koppe
2013-02-22 20:33 ` Corinna Vinschen
@ 2013-02-28 11:26 ` Corinna Vinschen
2013-02-28 17:27 ` Corinna Vinschen
2 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Corinna Vinschen @ 2013-02-28 11:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin-developers
On Feb 22 13:45, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> I just uploaded
>
ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit/binary-toolchain-x86_64-pc-linux-x-x86_64-pc-cygwin-20130228.tar.xz
ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit/install/base-cygwin-toolchain-install-first-20130228.x86_64.tar.xz
ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit/x86_64-pc-cygwin-gcc-20130227.patch
The Linux toolchain also contains headers and libs of the expat package.
I needed them to cross-build a native GDB.
Corinna
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* Re: YA set of new 64bit packages
2013-02-28 11:26 ` Corinna Vinschen
@ 2013-02-28 17:27 ` Corinna Vinschen
2013-03-01 8:23 ` Teemu Nätkinniemi
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Corinna Vinschen @ 2013-02-28 17:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin-developers
On Feb 28 12:25, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> On Feb 22 13:45, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> > I just uploaded
ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit/binary-toolchain-x86_64-pc-linux-x-x86_64-pc-cygwin-20130228-2.tar.xz
ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit/install/base-cygwin-toolchain-install-first-20130228-2.x86_64.tar.xz
This fixes the problem that the size of setjmp_buf was too small due
to a bug in newlib(*).
Corinna
(*) http://sourceware.org/ml/gdb-patches/2013-02/msg00741.html
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* Re: YA set of new 64bit packages
2013-02-28 17:27 ` Corinna Vinschen
@ 2013-03-01 8:23 ` Teemu Nätkinniemi
2013-03-01 8:36 ` Corinna Vinschen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Teemu Nätkinniemi @ 2013-03-01 8:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin-developers
On 28.2.2013 19:26, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> On Feb 28 12:25, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
>> On Feb 22 13:45, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
>>> I just uploaded
>
> ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit/binary-toolchain-x86_64-pc-linux-x-x86_64-pc-cygwin-20130228-2.tar.xz
> ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit/install/base-cygwin-toolchain-install-first-20130228-2.x86_64.tar.xz
>
> This fixes the problem that the size of setjmp_buf was too small due
> to a bug in newlib(*).
After installing this I get the following error: "The procedure entry
point cygwin_conv_to_full_posix_path could not be located in the dynamic
link library G:\cygwin64\bin\bash.exe"
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* Re: YA set of new 64bit packages
2013-03-01 8:23 ` Teemu Nätkinniemi
@ 2013-03-01 8:36 ` Corinna Vinschen
2013-03-01 9:06 ` Teemu Nätkinniemi
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Corinna Vinschen @ 2013-03-01 8:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin-developers; +Cc: Eric Blake
On Mar 1 10:23, Teemu Nätkinniemi wrote:
> On 28.2.2013 19:26, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> >On Feb 28 12:25, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> >>On Feb 22 13:45, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> >>>I just uploaded
> >
> >ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit/binary-toolchain-x86_64-pc-linux-x-x86_64-pc-cygwin-20130228-2.tar.xz
> >ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit/install/base-cygwin-toolchain-install-first-20130228-2.x86_64.tar.xz
> >
> >This fixes the problem that the size of setjmp_buf was too small due
> >to a bug in newlib(*).
>
> After installing this I get the following error: "The procedure
> entry point cygwin_conv_to_full_posix_path could not be located in
> the dynamic link library G:\cygwin64\bin\bash.exe"
Really? Bash is still using this old entry point? This API is
deprecated since 1.7.0, so I took the liberty to remove it from x86_64
Cygwin entirely.
Eric? Can you please switch bash to the recent cygwin_conv_path API?
For the time being, use dash or tcsh, or patch bash yourself to use
cygwin_conv_path.
Corinna
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* Re: YA set of new 64bit packages
2013-03-01 8:36 ` Corinna Vinschen
@ 2013-03-01 9:06 ` Teemu Nätkinniemi
2013-03-01 9:11 ` Corinna Vinschen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Teemu Nätkinniemi @ 2013-03-01 9:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin-developers
On 1.3.2013 10:35, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> On Mar 1 10:23, Teemu Nätkinniemi wrote:
>> On 28.2.2013 19:26, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
>>> On Feb 28 12:25, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
>>>> On Feb 22 13:45, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
>>>>> I just uploaded
>>>
>>> ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit/binary-toolchain-x86_64-pc-linux-x-x86_64-pc-cygwin-20130228-2.tar.xz
>>> ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit/install/base-cygwin-toolchain-install-first-20130228-2.x86_64.tar.xz
>>>
>>> This fixes the problem that the size of setjmp_buf was too small due
>>> to a bug in newlib(*).
>>
>> After installing this I get the following error: "The procedure
>> entry point cygwin_conv_to_full_posix_path could not be located in
>> the dynamic link library G:\cygwin64\bin\bash.exe"
>
> Really? Bash is still using this old entry point? This API is
> deprecated since 1.7.0, so I took the liberty to remove it from x86_64
> Cygwin entirely.
I checked Bash executable with Dependency walker and setmode seems to be
missing as well.
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* Re: YA set of new 64bit packages
2013-03-01 9:06 ` Teemu Nätkinniemi
@ 2013-03-01 9:11 ` Corinna Vinschen
2013-03-01 12:04 ` Teemu Nätkinniemi
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Corinna Vinschen @ 2013-03-01 9:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin-developers
On Mar 1 11:06, Teemu Nätkinniemi wrote:
> On 1.3.2013 10:35, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> >On Mar 1 10:23, Teemu Nätkinniemi wrote:
> >>On 28.2.2013 19:26, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> >>>On Feb 28 12:25, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> >>>>On Feb 22 13:45, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> >>>>>I just uploaded
> >>>
> >>>ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit/binary-toolchain-x86_64-pc-linux-x-x86_64-pc-cygwin-20130228-2.tar.xz
> >>>ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit/install/base-cygwin-toolchain-install-first-20130228-2.x86_64.tar.xz
> >>>
> >>>This fixes the problem that the size of setjmp_buf was too small due
> >>>to a bug in newlib(*).
> >>
> >>After installing this I get the following error: "The procedure
> >>entry point cygwin_conv_to_full_posix_path could not be located in
> >>the dynamic link library G:\cygwin64\bin\bash.exe"
> >
> >Really? Bash is still using this old entry point? This API is
> >deprecated since 1.7.0, so I took the liberty to remove it from x86_64
> >Cygwin entirely.
>
> I checked Bash executable with Dependency walker and setmode seems
> to be missing as well.
Ok, but that only requires a rebuild. Bash will pick up the new
_setmode function via the setmode macro. I explained the change in my
OP from 2013-02-22.
Corinna
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* Re: YA set of new 64bit packages
2013-03-01 9:11 ` Corinna Vinschen
@ 2013-03-01 12:04 ` Teemu Nätkinniemi
2013-03-01 12:28 ` Corinna Vinschen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Teemu Nätkinniemi @ 2013-03-01 12:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin-developers
On 1.3.2013 11:10, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> On Mar 1 11:06, Teemu Nätkinniemi wrote:
>> On 1.3.2013 10:35, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
>>> On Mar 1 10:23, Teemu Nätkinniemi wrote:
>>>> On 28.2.2013 19:26, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 28 12:25, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
>>>>>> On Feb 22 13:45, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
>>>>>>> I just uploaded
>>>>>
>>>>> ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit/binary-toolchain-x86_64-pc-linux-x-x86_64-pc-cygwin-20130228-2.tar.xz
>>>>> ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit/install/base-cygwin-toolchain-install-first-20130228-2.x86_64.tar.xz
>>>>>
>>>>> This fixes the problem that the size of setjmp_buf was too small due
>>>>> to a bug in newlib(*).
>>>>
>>>> After installing this I get the following error: "The procedure
>>>> entry point cygwin_conv_to_full_posix_path could not be located in
>>>> the dynamic link library G:\cygwin64\bin\bash.exe"
>>>
>>> Really? Bash is still using this old entry point? This API is
>>> deprecated since 1.7.0, so I took the liberty to remove it from x86_64
>>> Cygwin entirely.
>>
>> I checked Bash executable with Dependency walker and setmode seems
>> to be missing as well.
>
> Ok, but that only requires a rebuild. Bash will pick up the new
> _setmode function via the setmode macro. I explained the change in my
> OP from 2013-02-22.
It would be nice to have all the sources and/or patches available to
64-bit binaries that are available.
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* Re: YA set of new 64bit packages
2013-03-01 12:04 ` Teemu Nätkinniemi
@ 2013-03-01 12:28 ` Corinna Vinschen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Corinna Vinschen @ 2013-03-01 12:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin-developers
On Mar 1 14:04, Teemu Nätkinniemi wrote:
> On 1.3.2013 11:10, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> >On Mar 1 11:06, Teemu Nätkinniemi wrote:
> >>On 1.3.2013 10:35, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> >>>On Mar 1 10:23, Teemu Nätkinniemi wrote:
> >>>>On 28.2.2013 19:26, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> >>>>>On Feb 28 12:25, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> >>>>>>On Feb 22 13:45, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> >>>>>>>I just uploaded
> >>>>>
> >>>>>ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit/binary-toolchain-x86_64-pc-linux-x-x86_64-pc-cygwin-20130228-2.tar.xz
> >>>>>ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit/install/base-cygwin-toolchain-install-first-20130228-2.x86_64.tar.xz
> >>>>>
> >>>>>This fixes the problem that the size of setjmp_buf was too small due
> >>>>>to a bug in newlib(*).
> >>>>
> >>>>After installing this I get the following error: "The procedure
> >>>>entry point cygwin_conv_to_full_posix_path could not be located in
> >>>>the dynamic link library G:\cygwin64\bin\bash.exe"
> >>>
> >>>Really? Bash is still using this old entry point? This API is
> >>>deprecated since 1.7.0, so I took the liberty to remove it from x86_64
> >>>Cygwin entirely.
> >>
> >>I checked Bash executable with Dependency walker and setmode seems
> >>to be missing as well.
> >
> >Ok, but that only requires a rebuild. Bash will pick up the new
> >_setmode function via the setmode macro. I explained the change in my
> >OP from 2013-02-22.
>
> It would be nice to have all the sources and/or patches available to
> 64-bit binaries that are available.
As far as the packages I uploaded are concerned, the patches are either
upstream, or in ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwin/64bit, or I didn't patch
the project at all.
Corinna
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