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From: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>
To: Corinna Vinschen <corinna-cygwin@cygwin.com>
Cc: cygwin-patches@cygwin.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Allow overriding the home directory via the HOME variable
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:38:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.00.1510221731250.31610@s15462909.onlinehome-server.info> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151021183209.GF17374@calimero.vinschen.de>

Hi Corinna,

On Wed, 21 Oct 2015, Corinna Vinschen wrote:

> On Sep 16 15:06, Johannes Schindelin wrote:
> > 	* uinfo.cc (cygheap_pwdgrp::get_home): Offer an option in
> > 	nsswitch.conf that let's the environment variable HOME (or
> > 	HOMEDRIVE & HOMEPATH, or USERPROFILE) define the home
> > 	directory.
> > 
> > 	* ntsec.xml: Document the `env` schema.
> > 
> > Detailed comments:
> > 
> > In the context of Git for Windows, it is a well-established technique
> > to let the `$HOME` variable define where the current user's home
> > directory is, falling back to `$HOMEDRIVE$HOMEPATH` and `$USERPROFILE`.
> > 
> > The idea is that we want to share user-specific settings between
> > programs, whether they be Cygwin, MSys2 or not.  Unfortunately, we
> > cannot blindly activate the "db_home: windows" setting because in some
> > setups, the user's home directory is set to a hidden directory via an
> > UNC path (\\share\some\hidden\folder$) -- something many programs
> > cannot handle correctly.
> 
> -v, please.  Which applications can't handle that?  Why do we have to
> care?

Oh, the first one that comes to mind is `cmd.exe`. You cannot start
`cmd.exe` with a UNC working directory without getting complaints.

> > The established technique is to allow setting the user's home directory
> > via the environment variables mentioned above.  This has the additional
> > advantage that it is much faster than querying the Windows user database.
> 
> But it's wrong.  We discussed this a couple of times on the Cygwin ML.
> The underlying functionality generically implements the passwd entries.
> Your "env" setting will return the same $HOME setting in the pw_dir
> field for every user account.

No, it will not, because most users are not administrators. So they can
only set environment variables for themselves.

In most cases, `HOME` will not even be defined, but `HOMEDRIVE` and
`HOMEPATH` will, and they will be correct.

> All user accounts will have the same home dir as your current user.  And
> the value is unreliable, too.  If another user logs in, all accounts
> will have another $HOME, the one from the now logged in user.  This is
> so wrong and potentially dangerous that I don't think this belongs into
> Cygwin, sorry.

I ask you to reconsider. I am not trying to make this the default. And I
*need* a way to heed the `HOME` variable set by the user. For
backwards-compatibility with Git for Windows 1.x, where users frequently
adjusted the `HOME` variable to fix problems with MSys not handling their
home directory properly.

The patch itself is so simple that it cannot possibly cause a maintenance
burden, and by offering this feature as opt-in, users who are in need of
that feature can easily use it -- in Cygwin, MSys2, and yes, in Git for
Windows.

It would bring a major benefit to us.

Ciao,
Johannes

  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-22 15:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-16 13:06 Johannes Schindelin
2015-10-21 18:32 ` Corinna Vinschen
2015-10-22 15:38   ` Johannes Schindelin [this message]
2015-10-23  9:10     ` Corinna Vinschen
2015-10-23  9:41       ` Corinna Vinschen
2015-10-23 12:00         ` Johannes Schindelin
2015-12-17 18:05 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] Support deriving the current user's home directory via HOME Johannes Schindelin
2015-12-17 18:05   ` [PATCH v2 1/2] Allow deriving the current user's home directory via the HOME variable Johannes Schindelin
2015-12-17 20:20     ` Corinna Vinschen
2022-09-21 11:58       ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-10-18 17:02         ` Corinna Vinschen
2022-10-23 21:04           ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-10-24 11:37             ` Corinna Vinschen
2022-11-10 15:16               ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-11-10 15:22                 ` Corinna Vinschen
2022-11-18  8:18                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-11-21 11:41                     ` Corinna Vinschen
2023-03-28  8:21                       ` Johannes Schindelin
2015-12-17 18:05   ` [PATCH v2 2/2] Respect `db_home` setting even for the SYSTEM account Johannes Schindelin
2015-12-17 20:49     ` Corinna Vinschen
2015-12-17 21:02       ` Corinna Vinschen
2022-09-21 12:00       ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-09-21 11:51   ` [PATCH v3 0/3] Support deriving the current user's home directory via HOME Johannes Schindelin
2022-09-21 11:51     ` [PATCH v3 1/3] Allow deriving the current user's home directory via the HOME variable Johannes Schindelin
2022-09-21 11:52     ` [PATCH v3 2/3] Respect `db_home` setting even for SYSTEM/Microsoft accounts Johannes Schindelin
2022-09-21 11:52     ` [PATCH v3 3/3] Respect `db_home: env` even when no uid can be determined Johannes Schindelin
2023-03-28  8:17     ` [PATCH v4 0/3] Support deriving the current user's home directory via HOME Johannes Schindelin
2023-03-28  8:17       ` [PATCH v4 1/3] Allow deriving the current user's home directory via the HOME variable Johannes Schindelin
2023-03-28 10:35         ` Corinna Vinschen
2023-03-28 12:34           ` Jon Turney
2023-03-28 13:31             ` Corinna Vinschen
2023-03-29  8:36               ` Corinna Vinschen
2023-04-03  6:39                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2023-03-28  8:17       ` [PATCH v4 2/3] Respect `db_home` setting even for SYSTEM/Microsoft accounts Johannes Schindelin
2023-03-28 10:16         ` Corinna Vinschen
2023-04-03  6:36           ` Johannes Schindelin
2023-04-03 10:59             ` Corinna Vinschen
2023-04-03 13:32               ` Johannes Schindelin
2023-03-28  8:17       ` [PATCH v4 3/3] Respect `db_home: env` even when no uid can be determined Johannes Schindelin
2023-03-28 10:17         ` Corinna Vinschen
2023-04-03  6:45           ` Johannes Schindelin
2023-04-03 13:12             ` Johannes Schindelin
2023-04-03 13:29               ` Corinna Vinschen
2023-04-03 13:57                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2023-04-03 19:23                   ` Corinna Vinschen
2023-04-04 15:11                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2023-04-03 13:19             ` Johannes Schindelin
2023-04-03 14:44       ` [PATCH v5 0/3] Support deriving the current user's home directory via HOME Johannes Schindelin
2023-04-03 14:44         ` [PATCH v5 1/3] Allow deriving the current user's home directory via the HOME variable Johannes Schindelin
2023-04-03 18:36           ` Corinna Vinschen
2023-04-04 15:12             ` Johannes Schindelin
2023-04-03 14:45         ` [PATCH v5 2/3] Respect `db_home` setting even for SYSTEM/Microsoft accounts Johannes Schindelin
2023-04-03 18:37           ` Corinna Vinschen
2023-04-04 15:12             ` Johannes Schindelin
2023-04-03 14:45         ` [PATCH v5 3/3] Respect `db_home: env` even when no uid can be determined Johannes Schindelin
2023-04-04 15:07         ` [PATCH v6 0/4] Support deriving the current user's home directory via HOME Johannes Schindelin
2023-04-04 15:07           ` [PATCH v6 1/4] Allow deriving the current user's home directory via the HOME variable Johannes Schindelin
2023-04-04 15:07           ` [PATCH v6 2/4] Respect `db_home` setting even for SYSTEM/Microsoft accounts Johannes Schindelin
2023-04-04 15:07           ` [PATCH v6 3/4] uinfo: special-case IIS APPPOOL accounts Johannes Schindelin
2023-04-04 15:07           ` [PATCH v6 4/4] Do not rely on `getenv ("HOME")`'s path conversion Johannes Schindelin
2023-04-06  8:37             ` Corinna Vinschen
2023-04-06  9:54               ` Johannes Schindelin
2023-04-06 10:28                 ` Corinna Vinschen
2023-05-22 11:12           ` [PATCH v7 0/4] Support deriving the current user's home directory via HOME Johannes Schindelin
2023-05-22 11:12             ` [PATCH v7 1/4] Allow deriving the current user's home directory via the HOME variable Johannes Schindelin
2023-05-22 11:12             ` [PATCH v7 2/4] Respect `db_home` setting even for SYSTEM/Microsoft accounts Johannes Schindelin
2023-05-22 11:12             ` [PATCH v7 3/4] uinfo: special-case IIS APPPOOL accounts Johannes Schindelin
2023-05-22 11:13             ` [PATCH v7 4/4] Do not rely on `getenv ("HOME")`'s path conversion Johannes Schindelin
2023-06-06 13:33             ` [PATCH v7 0/4] Support deriving the current user's home directory via HOME Corinna Vinschen

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