* Re: Not being given the option of installing packages on setup [not found] <6.2.1.2.2.20060418001159.01ddb6b8@calmail.berkeley.edu> @ 2006-04-18 17:11 ` Igor Peshansky 2006-04-18 17:57 ` George ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Igor Peshansky @ 2006-04-18 17:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The Cygwin-Talk Maiming List On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Natalia M. Belfiore wrote: > [snip] > Tasha Well, actually, what he wrote is unimportant. What is interesting (and really unsettling to anyone who grew up in Russia) is that Natalia (or Natasha) is a purely female name (c.f. "War and Peace"), and this person is clearly male. No point here, just venting... :-) Igor -- http://cs.nyu.edu/~pechtcha/ |\ _,,,---,,_ pechtcha@cs.nyu.edu | igor@watson.ibm.com ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ Igor Peshansky, Ph.D. (name changed!) |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' old name: Igor Pechtchanski '---''(_/--' `-'\_) fL a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-. Meow! "Las! je suis sot... -Mais non, tu ne l'es pas, puisque tu t'en rends compte." "But no -- you are no fool; you call yourself a fool, there's proof enough in that!" -- Rostand, "Cyrano de Bergerac" ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: Not being given the option of installing packages on setup 2006-04-18 17:11 ` Not being given the option of installing packages on setup Igor Peshansky @ 2006-04-18 17:57 ` George 2006-04-18 18:14 ` Igor Peshansky 2006-04-18 18:03 ` Dave Korn 2006-04-19 1:56 ` Gary R. Van Sickle 2 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: George @ 2006-04-18 17:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The Cygwin-Talk Maiming List On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 01:11:07PM -0400, Igor Peshansky wrote: > On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Natalia M. Belfiore wrote: > > > [snip] > > Tasha > > Well, actually, what he wrote is unimportant. What is interesting (and > really unsettling to anyone who grew up in Russia) is that Natalia (or > Natasha) is a purely female name (c.f. "War and Peace"), and this person > is clearly male. > > No point here, just venting... :-) Maybe it's Natasha just on the weekends? What may be just as interesting to those that *may* read something along the lines of War and Peace and similarly didn't grow up in Russia, is that the name Sasha is a not the name given to a female, pure or otherwise. It's the dimunitive of Alexander. Which, in English, is ... Alexander. Sasha, Tasha. Go figure. Bob's yer uncle. Actually, 'e's my aunt, but we don't talk about 'im any more. Speaking of dimunitive, thought I'd pass along another bit of trivia. An rsync of a Cygwin mirror yields a whopping 2.9GB, substantially larger (and slower) than the 2GB figure that what was quoted in a recent message. -- George ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: Not being given the option of installing packages on setup 2006-04-18 17:57 ` George @ 2006-04-18 18:14 ` Igor Peshansky 2006-04-19 2:18 ` Gary R. Van Sickle 0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Igor Peshansky @ 2006-04-18 18:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The Cygwin-Talk Maiming List On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, George wrote: > On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 01:11:07PM -0400, Igor Peshansky wrote: > > On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Natalia M. Belfiore wrote: > > > > > [snip] > > > Tasha > > > > Well, actually, what he wrote is unimportant. What is interesting (and > > really unsettling to anyone who grew up in Russia) is that Natalia (or > > Natasha) is a purely female name (c.f. "War and Peace"), and this person > > is clearly male. > > > > No point here, just venting... :-) > > Maybe it's Natasha just on the weekends? > > What may be just as interesting to those that *may* read something along > the lines of War and Peace and similarly didn't grow up in Russia, is > that the name Sasha is a not the name given to a female, pure or > otherwise. It's the dimunitive of Alexander. Which, in English, is > ... Alexander. Well, actually, Sasha is both a male and a female name (kind of like Alex in England). The female version is Alexandra, and it is rather common in Russia. Natalia is a name that doesn't have a male equivalent. > Sasha, Tasha. Go figure. > > Bob's yer uncle. > > Actually, 'e's my aunt, but we don't talk about 'im any more. There once was a lady named Peter... Hmm, maybe I shouldn't continue this one. :-) > Speaking of dimunitive, thought I'd pass along another bit of trivia. > An rsync of a Cygwin mirror yields a whopping 2.9GB, substantially > larger (and slower) than the 2GB figure that what was quoted in a recent > message. Since a decision was made to not always erase older versions of packages, I can believe that. If you restrict this to versions accessible via setup.ini, you'll find that 2GB hits close to the mark (last I checked, which wasn't very recently). Igor -- http://cs.nyu.edu/~pechtcha/ |\ _,,,---,,_ pechtcha@cs.nyu.edu | igor@watson.ibm.com ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ Igor Peshansky, Ph.D. (name changed!) |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' old name: Igor Pechtchanski '---''(_/--' `-'\_) fL a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-. Meow! "Las! je suis sot... -Mais non, tu ne l'es pas, puisque tu t'en rends compte." "But no -- you are no fool; you call yourself a fool, there's proof enough in that!" -- Rostand, "Cyrano de Bergerac" ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* RE: Not being given the option of installing packages on setup 2006-04-18 18:14 ` Igor Peshansky @ 2006-04-19 2:18 ` Gary R. Van Sickle 2006-04-19 3:53 ` Igor Peshansky 0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Gary R. Van Sickle @ 2006-04-19 2:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'The Cygwin-Talk Malingering List' > From: Igor Peshansky > On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, George wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 01:11:07PM -0400, Igor Peshansky wrote: > > > On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Natalia M. Belfiore wrote: > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > Tasha > > > > > > Well, actually, what he wrote is unimportant. What is > interesting > > > (and really unsettling to anyone who grew up in Russia) is that > > > Natalia (or > > > Natasha) is a purely female name (c.f. "War and Peace"), and this > > > person is clearly male. > > > > > > No point here, just venting... :-) > > > > Maybe it's Natasha just on the weekends? > > > > What may be just as interesting to those that *may* read something > > along the lines of War and Peace and similarly didn't grow up in > > Russia, is that the name Sasha is a not the name given to a female, > > pure or otherwise. It's the dimunitive of Alexander. Which, in > > English, is ... Alexander. > > Well, actually, Sasha is both a male and a female name (kind > of like Alex in England). The female version is Alexandra, > and it is rather common in Russia. > That makes totally NO sense: 1. Alexander 2. Alexandra 3. Sasha Note that while #1 and #2 share 7 letters in the exact same position AND one letter that is merely transposed, #3 shares ZERO letters in the same position and only ONE letter in common at all! I think it's high time for Mr. Putin to rationalize this rather bizarre state of affairs. > Natalia is a name that doesn't have a male equivalent. > Nathaniel, no? -- Gary R. Van Sickle ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* RE: Not being given the option of installing packages on setup 2006-04-19 2:18 ` Gary R. Van Sickle @ 2006-04-19 3:53 ` Igor Peshansky 0 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Igor Peshansky @ 2006-04-19 3:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The Cygwin-Talk Maiming List On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Gary R. Van Sickle wrote: > > From: Igor Peshansky > > > Natalia is a name that doesn't have a male equivalent. > > Nathaniel, no? There is a name Natan (a form of Nathan) in Russia, but they have completely different origins (Natalia comes from Italian, and Natan from Hebrew). Igor -- http://cs.nyu.edu/~pechtcha/ |\ _,,,---,,_ pechtcha@cs.nyu.edu | igor@watson.ibm.com ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ Igor Peshansky, Ph.D. (name changed!) |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' old name: Igor Pechtchanski '---''(_/--' `-'\_) fL a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-. Meow! "Las! je suis sot... -Mais non, tu ne l'es pas, puisque tu t'en rends compte." "But no -- you are no fool; you call yourself a fool, there's proof enough in that!" -- Rostand, "Cyrano de Bergerac" ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* RE: Not being given the option of installing packages on setup 2006-04-18 17:11 ` Not being given the option of installing packages on setup Igor Peshansky 2006-04-18 17:57 ` George @ 2006-04-18 18:03 ` Dave Korn 2006-04-18 18:17 ` Igor Peshansky 2006-04-19 2:10 ` Gary R. Van Sickle 2006-04-19 1:56 ` Gary R. Van Sickle 2 siblings, 2 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Dave Korn @ 2006-04-18 18:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'warning: may contain nuts' On 18 April 2006 18:11, Igor Peshansky wrote: > On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Natalia M. Belfiore wrote: > >> [snip] >> Tasha > > Well, actually, what he wrote is unimportant. What is interesting (and > really unsettling to anyone who grew up in Russia) is that Natalia (or > Natasha) is a purely female name (c.f. "War and Peace"), and this person > is clearly male. > > No point here, just venting... :-) > Igor :) At first I kinda suspected that it was a bloke attempting to employ the well known "Pose-as-a-helpless-female-and-flutter-your-virtual-eyelashes" technique to achieve faster response times from geek-filled mailing lists....... Then I found.... http://genome-lab.ucdavis.edu/People/TashaBelfiore/default.htm AAAAUUUUGHGHGHHHH MY EYES ARE BURNING !!! http://genome-lab.ucdavis.edu/People/TashaBelfiore/personalinfo.htm "I am also called Natasha, it being a common diminutive of Natalia, my legal name" Note the carefully worded phrase "my legal name", plus also the various cute icons including a kitten and a sheep and someone dancing? OK, I'm going to take a guess: this can only be explained by GR surgery. cheers, DaveK -- Can't think of a witty .sigline today.... ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* RE: Not being given the option of installing packages on setup 2006-04-18 18:03 ` Dave Korn @ 2006-04-18 18:17 ` Igor Peshansky 2006-04-18 18:44 ` Dave Korn 2006-04-19 2:23 ` Gary R. Van Sickle 2006-04-19 2:10 ` Gary R. Van Sickle 1 sibling, 2 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Igor Peshansky @ 2006-04-18 18:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The Cygwin-Talk Maiming List On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Dave Korn wrote: > On 18 April 2006 18:11, Igor Peshansky wrote: > > > On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Natalia M. Belfiore wrote: > > > >> [snip] > >> Tasha > > > > Well, actually, what he wrote is unimportant. What is interesting (and > > really unsettling to anyone who grew up in Russia) is that Natalia (or > > Natasha) is a purely female name (c.f. "War and Peace"), and this person > > is clearly male. > > > > No point here, just venting... :-) > > Igor > > :) At first I kinda suspected that it was a bloke attempting to > employ the well known > "Pose-as-a-helpless-female-and-flutter-your-virtual-eyelashes" technique > to achieve faster response times from geek-filled mailing lists....... > > Then I found.... > > http://genome-lab.ucdavis.edu/People/TashaBelfiore/default.htm Yes, I've looked at that. Hence my comment about "clearly male". > AAAAUUUUGHGHGHHHH MY EYES ARE BURNING !!! > > http://genome-lab.ucdavis.edu/People/TashaBelfiore/personalinfo.htm > > "I am also called Natasha, it being a common diminutive of Natalia, my > legal name" > > Note the carefully worded phrase "my legal name", plus also the > various cute icons including a kitten and a sheep and someone dancing? > OK, I'm going to take a guess: this can only be explained by GR surgery. I wouldn't put it past the parents to name their male child Natalia... There are some weird name combinations out there. I once heard of a Cuban name Vilare, which stood for "Vive la Revolucion!"... Igor P.S. Ok, who'll be the first to name their child "Hippo"? -- http://cs.nyu.edu/~pechtcha/ |\ _,,,---,,_ pechtcha@cs.nyu.edu | igor@watson.ibm.com ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ Igor Peshansky, Ph.D. (name changed!) |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' old name: Igor Pechtchanski '---''(_/--' `-'\_) fL a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-. Meow! "Las! je suis sot... -Mais non, tu ne l'es pas, puisque tu t'en rends compte." "But no -- you are no fool; you call yourself a fool, there's proof enough in that!" -- Rostand, "Cyrano de Bergerac" ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* RE: Not being given the option of installing packages on setup 2006-04-18 18:17 ` Igor Peshansky @ 2006-04-18 18:44 ` Dave Korn 2006-04-19 2:23 ` Gary R. Van Sickle 1 sibling, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Dave Korn @ 2006-04-18 18:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'case closed' On 18 April 2006 19:18, Igor Peshansky wrote: >> Note the carefully worded phrase "my legal name", plus also the >> various cute icons including a kitten and a sheep and someone dancing? >> OK, I'm going to take a guess: this can only be explained by GR surgery. > > I wouldn't put it past the parents to name their male child Natalia... Well, OK, but would you then expect that male child to go on to win the "Association for Women in Science Educational Foundation Award, Citation of Merit, 1997"? http://genome-lab.ucdavis.edu/People/TashaBelfiore/tasha'scv.pdf cheers, DaveK -- Can't think of a witty .sigline today.... ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* RE: Not being given the option of installing packages on setup 2006-04-18 18:17 ` Igor Peshansky 2006-04-18 18:44 ` Dave Korn @ 2006-04-19 2:23 ` Gary R. Van Sickle 1 sibling, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Gary R. Van Sickle @ 2006-04-19 2:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'The Cygwin-Talk Malingering List' [snip] > > I wouldn't put it past the parents to name their male child Natalia... > > There are some weird name combinations out there. I once > heard of a Cuban name Vilare, which stood for "Vive la Revolucion!"... > Igor > P.S. Ok, who'll be the first to name their child "Hippo"? Too late: Hippo was one of the original Marx Brothers. I think he had a horn and never spoke. They replaced him fairly early on with Curly though, which we can all agree was a distinct improvement. -- Gary R. Van Sickle ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* RE: Not being given the option of installing packages on setup 2006-04-18 18:03 ` Dave Korn 2006-04-18 18:17 ` Igor Peshansky @ 2006-04-19 2:10 ` Gary R. Van Sickle 2006-04-19 8:23 ` Dave Korn 1 sibling, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Gary R. Van Sickle @ 2006-04-19 2:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'The Cygwin-Talk Malingering List' > From: Dave Korn > On 18 April 2006 18:11, Igor Peshansky wrote: > > > On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Natalia M. Belfiore wrote: > > > >> [snip] > >> Tasha > > > > Well, actually, what he wrote is unimportant. What is interesting > > (and really unsettling to anyone who grew up in Russia) is that > > Natalia (or > > Natasha) is a purely female name (c.f. "War and Peace"), and this > > person is clearly male. > > > > No point here, just venting... :-) > > Igor > > :) At first I kinda suspected that it was a bloke > attempting to employ the well known > "Pose-as-a-helpless-female-and-flutter-your-virtual-eyelashes" > technique to achieve faster response times from geek-filled > mailing lists....... > Hehehheee, you'd be amazed at what that'll get you. > Then I found.... > > http://genome-lab.ucdavis.edu/People/TashaBelfiore/default.htm > > AAAAUUUUGHGHGHHHH MY EYES ARE BURNING !!! > Meh, he's no Gilbert Gottfried. > http://genome-lab.ucdavis.edu/People/TashaBelfiore/personalinfo.htm > > "I am also called Natasha, it being a common diminutive of > Natalia, my legal name" > > Note the carefully worded phrase "my legal name", plus also > the various cute icons including a kitten and a sheep and > someone dancing? OK, I'm going to take a guess: this can > only be explained by GR surgery. > You mean, Sheena was a man? Hmmm, no, I don't buy it. You have to be all-man all-the-time to play in a band named "Chicken Tractor". Whom, by the way, ROCK!!!!! > cheers, > DaveK > -- > Can't think of a witty .sigline today.... > -- Gary R. Van Sickle I can.... ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* RE: Not being given the option of installing packages on setup 2006-04-19 2:10 ` Gary R. Van Sickle @ 2006-04-19 8:23 ` Dave Korn 2006-04-20 0:33 ` Gary R. Van Sickle 0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Dave Korn @ 2006-04-19 8:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'who, moi?' On 19 April 2006 03:10, Gary R. Van Sickle wrote: >> From: Dave Korn >> On 18 April 2006 18:11, Igor Peshansky wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Natalia M. Belfiore wrote: >>> >>>> [snip] >>>> Tasha >>> >>> Well, actually, what he wrote is unimportant. What is interesting >>> (and really unsettling to anyone who grew up in Russia) is that Natalia >>> (or Natasha) is a purely female name (c.f. "War and Peace"), and this >>> person is clearly male. >>> >>> No point here, just venting... :-) >>> Igor >> >> :) At first I kinda suspected that it was a bloke >> attempting to employ the well known >> "Pose-as-a-helpless-female-and-flutter-your-virtual-eyelashes" >> technique to achieve faster response times from geek-filled mailing >> lists....... >> > > Hehehheee, you'd be amazed at what that'll get you. > >> Then I found.... >> >> http://genome-lab.ucdavis.edu/People/TashaBelfiore/default.htm >> >> AAAAUUUUGHGHGHHHH MY EYES ARE BURNING !!! >> > > Meh, he's no Gilbert Gottfried. > Huh? I was talking about the garish background textures! ;) cheers, DaveK -- Can't think of a witty .sigline today.... ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* RE: Not being given the option of installing packages on setup 2006-04-19 8:23 ` Dave Korn @ 2006-04-20 0:33 ` Gary R. Van Sickle 0 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Gary R. Van Sickle @ 2006-04-20 0:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'The Cygwin-Talk Malingering List' [snip] > >> Then I found.... > >> > >> http://genome-lab.ucdavis.edu/People/TashaBelfiore/default.htm > >> > >> AAAAUUUUGHGHGHHHH MY EYES ARE BURNING !!! > >> > > > > Meh, he's no Gilbert Gottfried. > > > > Huh? I was talking about the garish background textures! > > > ;) > > cheers, > DaveK > -- > Can't think of a witty .sigline today.... > Meh, the garish background textures are no Gilbert Gottfried either. -- Gary R. Van Sickle ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* RE: Not being given the option of installing packages on setup 2006-04-18 17:11 ` Not being given the option of installing packages on setup Igor Peshansky 2006-04-18 17:57 ` George 2006-04-18 18:03 ` Dave Korn @ 2006-04-19 1:56 ` Gary R. Van Sickle 2 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Gary R. Van Sickle @ 2006-04-19 1:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'The Cygwin-Talk Maiming List' > From: Igor Peshansky [snip] > On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Natalia M. Belfiore wrote: > > > [snip] > > Tasha > > Well, actually, what he wrote is unimportant. What is > interesting (and really unsettling to anyone who grew up in > Russia) is that Natalia (or > Natasha) is a purely female name (c.f. "War and Peace"), and > this person is clearly male. > > No point here, just venting... :-) > Igor Hmmm, sounds fishy. I shall indeed c.f. all 1472 pages of Mr. Tolstoy's work and verify this. -- Gary R. Van Sickle ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
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* Re: Not being given the option of installing packages on setup [not found] ` <Pine.GSO.4.63.0604181914090.21441@access1.cims.nyu.edu> @ 2006-04-19 3:38 ` Eric Blake 2006-04-19 4:05 ` Igor Peshansky 2006-04-19 8:23 ` Dave Korn 0 siblings, 2 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Eric Blake @ 2006-04-19 3:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin-talk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 According to Igor Peshansky on 4/18/2006 5:23 PM: > The bottom line is: if you want to receive email on the list, set > Reply-To: (like I do). Otherwise most mailers will include your address > in the To: field. If the Reply-To: is set and the mailer *still* sends > email directly to you, the mailer is broken. Why can't ezmlm be more like mailman - all the lists on lists.gnu.org have an option where you can choose to have the list skip mails to you if you are also listed in the To: or CC:. For example, in my bug-coreutils subscription options page, I see Avoid duplicate copies of messages? When you are listed explicitly in the To: or Cc: headers of a list message, you can opt to not receive another copy from the mailing list. Select Yes to avoid receiving copies from the mailing list; select No to receive copies. If the list has member personalized messages enabled, and you elect to receive copies, every copy will have a X-Mailman-Copy: yes header added to it. On the other hand, why can't mailman be more like ezmlm? If you accidentally delete a mailman message (or if it gets bounced for whatever reason), you can never get it back; whereas mailman will let you request a repost for a given message id. Or why can't we just drop a hippo on the source code for both list managers, and hope that the force merges them into a single coherent code base, with the best from both worlds? Then there is my earlier question[1] about Mail-Followup-To:, and a complaint that Thunderbird 1.5 changed their default behavior - in previous versions, Reply-All really did reply all when there is no Reply-To:, but in 1.5, if Mail-Followup-To: is set, it overrides Reply-To: and Reply-All becomes a stupid synonym for Reply:. My experience is that duplicate messages are most needed for people that are least likely to be subscribed, since if the reply only goes to the list and they did not subscribe, they don't see that I actually tried to help them. [1] http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-talk/2006-q1/msg00224.html - -- Life is short - so eat dessert first! Eric Blake ebb9@byu.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.1 (Cygwin) Comment: Public key at home.comcast.net/~ericblake/eblake.gpg Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFERbCU84KuGfSFAYARAppqAKCURRPfm/ZTF41Ho3gSSrUo/Kve5wCcDd5p o+hadEVoJMWky5BA9Vc62X8= =NmlE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: Not being given the option of installing packages on setup 2006-04-19 3:38 ` Eric Blake @ 2006-04-19 4:05 ` Igor Peshansky 2006-04-19 12:34 ` Eric Blake 2006-04-19 8:23 ` Dave Korn 1 sibling, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Igor Peshansky @ 2006-04-19 4:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The Cygwin-Talk Maiming List On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Eric Blake wrote: > According to Igor Peshansky on 4/18/2006 5:23 PM: > > The bottom line is: if you want to receive email on the list, set > > Reply-To: (like I do). Otherwise most mailers will include your address > > in the To: field. If the Reply-To: is set and the mailer *still* sends > > email directly to you, the mailer is broken. > > Why can't ezmlm be more like mailman - all the lists on lists.gnu.org have > an option where you can choose to have the list skip mails to you if you > are also listed in the To: or CC:. For example, in my bug-coreutils > subscription options page, I see > > Avoid duplicate copies of messages? Actually, it wouldn't really help in my case, since I'm not subscribed to the list -- I read it via the web archives. > On the other hand, why can't mailman be more like ezmlm? If you > accidentally delete a mailman message (or if it gets bounced for whatever > reason), you can never get it back; whereas mailman will let you request a > repost for a given message id. Why can't we all just get along?.. > Or why can't we just drop a hippo on the source code for both list > managers, and hope that the force merges them into a single coherent code > base, with the best from both worlds? Heh, next you'll be saying the same about VIm and Emacs... Igor -- http://cs.nyu.edu/~pechtcha/ |\ _,,,---,,_ pechtcha@cs.nyu.edu | igor@watson.ibm.com ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ Igor Peshansky, Ph.D. (name changed!) |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' old name: Igor Pechtchanski '---''(_/--' `-'\_) fL a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-. Meow! "Las! je suis sot... -Mais non, tu ne l'es pas, puisque tu t'en rends compte." "But no -- you are no fool; you call yourself a fool, there's proof enough in that!" -- Rostand, "Cyrano de Bergerac" ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: Not being given the option of installing packages on setup 2006-04-19 4:05 ` Igor Peshansky @ 2006-04-19 12:34 ` Eric Blake 2006-04-19 13:13 ` Jason Alonso ` (3 more replies) 0 siblings, 4 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Eric Blake @ 2006-04-19 12:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: On Holy Wars -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 According to Igor Peshansky on 4/18/2006 10:04 PM: > > Why can't we all just get along?.. > > Heh, next you'll be saying the same about VIm and Emacs... Why stop there - why not get the best of Linux and Windows? (Oh wait - cygwin does that...) And speaking of vi vs. emacs, which editor do most cygwin developers use? I'm in the emacs camp (okay, hiss if you want), so maybe I should consider adopting the emacs package since it has been orphaned for so long. - -- Life is short - so eat dessert first! Eric Blake ebb9@byu.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.1 (Cygwin) Comment: Public key at home.comcast.net/~ericblake/eblake.gpg Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFERi5I84KuGfSFAYARAkiAAJ0TsEw8civh1EevlnR4E3PmoxYKuQCgltf9 Oj0lzIHZr5/i7/NeTHbQr4c= =Maeg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: Not being given the option of installing packages on setup 2006-04-19 12:34 ` Eric Blake @ 2006-04-19 13:13 ` Jason Alonso 2006-04-19 13:37 ` Igor Peshansky ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Jason Alonso @ 2006-04-19 13:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The Cygwin-Talk Malingering List On 4/19/06, Eric Blake wrote: > And speaking of vi vs. emacs, which editor do most cygwin developers use? > I'm in the emacs camp (okay, hiss if you want), so maybe I should > consider adopting the emacs package since it has been orphaned for so long. *hiss* ;-) If it makes you feel better... At work, I'm surrounded by emacs users that look at me as though I should be wearing a straight-jacket whenever they catch me using my preferred editor (vim). At the time of my foray into the Cygwin/Linux world, though, the Almighty Hippo (mysteriously named after a swan) granted me only VIm. Cheers, Jason ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: Not being given the option of installing packages on setup 2006-04-19 12:34 ` Eric Blake 2006-04-19 13:13 ` Jason Alonso @ 2006-04-19 13:37 ` Igor Peshansky 2006-04-19 14:58 ` Corinna Vinschen 2006-04-19 17:00 ` Christopher Faylor 3 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Igor Peshansky @ 2006-04-19 13:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The Cygwin-Talk Maiming List On Wed, 19 Apr 2006, Eric Blake wrote: > According to Igor Peshansky on 4/18/2006 10:04 PM: > > > > Why can't we all just get along?.. > > > > Heh, next you'll be saying the same about VIm and Emacs... > > Why stop there - why not get the best of Linux and Windows? > > (Oh wait - cygwin does that...) Hmm, only one blank line to realize that... and no dots in between... You're much quicker than Dave here. :-D > And speaking of vi vs. emacs, which editor do most cygwin developers use? > I'm in the emacs camp (okay, hiss if you want), so maybe I should > consider adopting the emacs package since it has been orphaned for so > long. Well, can't speak for others, but, following the mantra of eating our own dog food, I use Cygwin to develop Cygwin stuff. And, considering that the only editor that just plain works by default in the Cygwin console is VIm... Actually, I was in the vi camp all along anyway. But thought I'd try to make a non-religious argument here... :-) Igor -- http://cs.nyu.edu/~pechtcha/ |\ _,,,---,,_ pechtcha@cs.nyu.edu | igor@watson.ibm.com ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ Igor Peshansky, Ph.D. (name changed!) |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' old name: Igor Pechtchanski '---''(_/--' `-'\_) fL a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-. Meow! "Las! je suis sot... -Mais non, tu ne l'es pas, puisque tu t'en rends compte." "But no -- you are no fool; you call yourself a fool, there's proof enough in that!" -- Rostand, "Cyrano de Bergerac" ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: Not being given the option of installing packages on setup 2006-04-19 12:34 ` Eric Blake 2006-04-19 13:13 ` Jason Alonso 2006-04-19 13:37 ` Igor Peshansky @ 2006-04-19 14:58 ` Corinna Vinschen 2006-04-19 17:00 ` Christopher Faylor 3 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Corinna Vinschen @ 2006-04-19 14:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: On Holy Wars On Apr 19 06:34, Eric Blake wrote: > [...] so maybe I should > consider adopting the emacs package since it has been orphaned for so long. Gotcha! Corinna ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: Not being given the option of installing packages on setup 2006-04-19 12:34 ` Eric Blake ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2006-04-19 14:58 ` Corinna Vinschen @ 2006-04-19 17:00 ` Christopher Faylor 2006-04-19 17:07 ` Igor Peshansky ` (2 more replies) 3 siblings, 3 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Christopher Faylor @ 2006-04-19 17:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The Cygwin-Talk Malingering List On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 06:34:16AM -0600, Eric Blake wrote: >According to Igor Peshansky on 4/18/2006 10:04 PM: >>Why can't we all just get along?.. >> >>Heh, next you'll be saying the same about VIm and Emacs... > >Why stop there - why not get the best of Linux and Windows? > >(Oh wait - cygwin does that...) > >And speaking of vi vs. emacs, which editor do most cygwin developers >use? I'm in the emacs camp (okay, hiss if you want), so maybe I should >consider adopting the emacs package since it has been orphaned for so >long. I use vi. I started out on a PDP-10 using first TECO, then SOS, then FINE (fine is not emacs), then EDT. When I started working mainly on UNIX (Ultrix), I tried to find an emacs-like editor for everything. However, when I switched jobs and starting porting software to a bunch of different UNIX systems, vi was the only editor which was consistently available. So, I reluctantly started using vi all of the time just so I wouldn't go crazy trying to switch back and forth. I remember sitting in an associate's office and commiserating about the *stoopidity* of the whole concept of vi with it's hjkl arrow keys and different modes for input and editing. Now I'm happily ensconced in that mindset. I still understand the allure of emacs, though. cgf ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: Not being given the option of installing packages on setup 2006-04-19 17:00 ` Christopher Faylor @ 2006-04-19 17:07 ` Igor Peshansky 2006-04-19 17:10 ` Christopher Faylor 2006-04-19 18:06 ` Dave Korn 2006-04-19 17:59 ` Dave Korn 2006-04-19 19:31 ` Cary Jamison 2 siblings, 2 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Igor Peshansky @ 2006-04-19 17:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The Cygwin-Talk Maiming List On Wed, 19 Apr 2006, Christopher Faylor wrote: > On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 06:34:16AM -0600, Eric Blake wrote: > >According to Igor Peshansky on 4/18/2006 10:04 PM: > >>Why can't we all just get along?.. > >> > >>Heh, next you'll be saying the same about VIm and Emacs... > > > >Why stop there - why not get the best of Linux and Windows? > > > >(Oh wait - cygwin does that...) > > > >And speaking of vi vs. emacs, which editor do most cygwin developers > >use? I'm in the emacs camp (okay, hiss if you want), so maybe I should > >consider adopting the emacs package since it has been orphaned for so > >long. > > I use vi. > > I started out on a PDP-10 using first TECO, then SOS, then FINE (fine is > not emacs), then EDT. When I started working mainly on UNIX (Ultrix), I > tried to find an emacs-like editor for everything. However, when I > switched jobs and starting porting software to a bunch of different UNIX > systems, vi was the only editor which was consistently available. So, I > reluctantly started using vi all of the time just so I wouldn't go crazy > trying to switch back and forth. > > I remember sitting in an associate's office and commiserating about the > *stoopidity* of the whole concept of vi with it's hjkl arrow keys and > different modes for input and editing. Now I'm happily ensconced in > that mindset. I still understand the allure of emacs, though. FWIW, it's the only mindset that makes sense for touch-typists. I mean, being able to move around the document without taking your fingers off the home row -- what can be better? :-) Igor -- http://cs.nyu.edu/~pechtcha/ |\ _,,,---,,_ pechtcha@cs.nyu.edu | igor@watson.ibm.com ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ Igor Peshansky, Ph.D. (name changed!) |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' old name: Igor Pechtchanski '---''(_/--' `-'\_) fL a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-. Meow! "Las! je suis sot... -Mais non, tu ne l'es pas, puisque tu t'en rends compte." "But no -- you are no fool; you call yourself a fool, there's proof enough in that!" -- Rostand, "Cyrano de Bergerac" ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: Not being given the option of installing packages on setup 2006-04-19 17:07 ` Igor Peshansky @ 2006-04-19 17:10 ` Christopher Faylor 2006-04-19 18:06 ` Dave Korn 1 sibling, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Christopher Faylor @ 2006-04-19 17:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The Cygwin-Talk Malingering List On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 01:07:42PM -0400, Igor Peshansky wrote: >On Wed, 19 Apr 2006, Christopher Faylor wrote: >> I remember sitting in an associate's office and commiserating about the >> *stoopidity* of the whole concept of vi with it's hjkl arrow keys and >> different modes for input and editing. Now I'm happily ensconced in >> that mindset. I still understand the allure of emacs, though. > >FWIW, it's the only mindset that makes sense for touch-typists. I mean, >being able to move around the document without taking your fingers off the >home row -- what can be better? :-) Yep, now that you mention it, that's why I am on my fourth IBM trackpoint keyboard. My hands never have to leave the home row. cgf ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* RE: Not being given the option of installing packages on setup 2006-04-19 17:07 ` Igor Peshansky 2006-04-19 17:10 ` Christopher Faylor @ 2006-04-19 18:06 ` Dave Korn 1 sibling, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Dave Korn @ 2006-04-19 18:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'zap zap zap zap ..... BOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMM!' On 19 April 2006 18:08, Igor Peshansky wrote: > On Wed, 19 Apr 2006, Christopher Faylor wrote: >> I remember sitting in an associate's office and commiserating about the >> *stoopidity* of the whole concept of vi with it's hjkl arrow keys and >> different modes for input and editing. Now I'm happily ensconced in >> that mindset. I still understand the allure of emacs, though. > > FWIW, it's the only mindset that makes sense for touch-typists. I mean, > being able to move around the document without taking your fingers off the > home row -- what can be better? :-) Being able to move your spaceship out of the way of that last asteroid before it hits you instead of wondering which the hell of these non-topographically-laid-out keys is actually going to make you go up rather than down ? cheers, DaveK -- Can't think of a witty .sigline today.... ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* RE: Not being given the option of installing packages on setup 2006-04-19 17:00 ` Christopher Faylor 2006-04-19 17:07 ` Igor Peshansky @ 2006-04-19 17:59 ` Dave Korn 2006-04-19 19:31 ` Cary Jamison 2 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Dave Korn @ 2006-04-19 17:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'they don't make 'em like that anymore....' On 19 April 2006 18:00, Christopher Faylor wrote: > I remember sitting in an associate's office and commiserating about the > *stoopidity* of the whole concept of vi with it's hjkl arrow keys and What is it with non-topographically-positioned cursor clusters anyway? Most early ZX Spectrum games used the keys 5678 for up/down/left/right (or vice-versa) and as a result the trickiest part of any game was not going up and smashing into a wall when you meant to go down! cheers, DaveK -- Can't think of a witty .sigline today.... ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: Not being given the option of installing packages on setup 2006-04-19 17:00 ` Christopher Faylor 2006-04-19 17:07 ` Igor Peshansky 2006-04-19 17:59 ` Dave Korn @ 2006-04-19 19:31 ` Cary Jamison 2006-04-19 19:42 ` Christopher Faylor 2 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Cary Jamison @ 2006-04-19 19:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin-talk Christopher Faylor wrote: > I started out on a PDP-10 using first TECO, then SOS, then FINE (fine > is not emacs), then EDT. When I started working mainly on UNIX Ah, TECO - now there was a real editor. Looked like complete gibberish, which reminds me of this old article : http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/real.programmers.html A guy I worked with wrote a TECO macro to search through all our source code in all directories to do a global search/replace of a function call he wanted to changed. Doesn't sound too hard today, using sed or other global search/replace editors, but it was pretty impressive for the time.... I quickly learned about vtteco and started using it, though. Similar to the visual mode of edt, but I liked it better. Cary ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: Not being given the option of installing packages on setup 2006-04-19 19:31 ` Cary Jamison @ 2006-04-19 19:42 ` Christopher Faylor 0 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Christopher Faylor @ 2006-04-19 19:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The Cygwin-Talk Malingering List On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 01:31:06PM -0600, Cary Jamison wrote: >Christopher Faylor wrote: >> I started out on a PDP-10 using first TECO, then SOS, then FINE (fine >> is not emacs), then EDT. When I started working mainly on UNIX > >Ah, TECO - now there was a real editor. Looked like complete gibberish, >which reminds me of this old article : > >http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/real.programmers.html > >A guy I worked with wrote a TECO macro to search through all our source code >in all directories to do a global search/replace of a function call he >wanted to changed. Doesn't sound too hard today, using sed or other global >search/replace editors, but it was pretty impressive for the time.... > >I quickly learned about vtteco and started using it, though. Similar to the >visual mode of edt, but I liked it better. Yeah, you have to love an editor where you could spend all day typing and then wipe out everything with a simple one letter typo. Still for raw power, it was tough to beat. cgf ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* RE: Not being given the option of installing packages on setup 2006-04-19 3:38 ` Eric Blake 2006-04-19 4:05 ` Igor Peshansky @ 2006-04-19 8:23 ` Dave Korn 2006-04-20 16:25 ` mwoehlke 1 sibling, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Dave Korn @ 2006-04-19 8:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'provocative? moi?' On 19 April 2006 04:38, Eric Blake wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > According to Igor Peshansky on 4/18/2006 5:23 PM: >> The bottom line is: if you want to receive email on the list, set >> Reply-To: (like I do). Otherwise most mailers will include your address >> in the To: field. If the Reply-To: is set and the mailer *still* sends >> email directly to you, the mailer is broken. > > Why can't ezmlm be more like mailman [...SNIP...] Why can't all FOSS mail software be as good as MS Outlook? If I get two duplicate copies of a message with the same Message-Id, it automatically merges them and I only see one! cheers, DaveK -- Can't think of a witty .sigline today.... ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: Not being given the option of installing packages on setup 2006-04-19 8:23 ` Dave Korn @ 2006-04-20 16:25 ` mwoehlke 0 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: mwoehlke @ 2006-04-20 16:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The Cygwin-Talk Malingering List Dave Korn wrote: > Why can't all FOSS mail software be as good as MS Outlook? Good question. I'm still waiting on Thunderbird to not limit me to - what is it, five? - color choices for highlighting messages. Or to give me RGB controls for color choices instead of that stupid limited palette. ...or to let me actually /post a message/ to these lists! :-) -- Matthew "Ethics? We've heard of it" -- Microsoft ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
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