* Re: Permissions problem - odd setup
@ 2006-02-22 13:49 Eric Blake
2006-02-22 14:21 ` Igor Peshansky
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From: Eric Blake @ 2006-02-22 13:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin-talk
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Andrew DeFaria wrote:
> > --
> > Eric Blake
> Just a little note here but a proper signature delimiter is two dashes
> followed by a space. You lack a space.
And where is that rule written? I've never seen an RFC from IETF
recommending that. However, whether it is '--' or '-- ' inserted is up to
my mailer, not my .sig. I'll see if I can work around the mailer bug, as
you call it, to put a space after the sig separator.
And next time somebody complains about my signature, I'll drop a hippo on
them (if they didn't do it to me first). :)
- --
Life is short - so eat dessert first!
Eric Blake ebb9@byu.net
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* Re: Permissions problem - odd setup
2006-02-22 13:49 Permissions problem - odd setup Eric Blake
@ 2006-02-22 14:21 ` Igor Peshansky
2006-02-22 14:24 ` Dave Korn
2006-02-23 4:55 ` George
2 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Igor Peshansky @ 2006-02-22 14:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: The Cygwin-Talk Maiming List
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006, Eric Blake wrote:
> Andrew DeFaria wrote:
> > > --
> > > Eric Blake
> >
> > Just a little note here but a proper signature delimiter is two dashes
> > followed by a space. You lack a space.
>
> And where is that rule written? I've never seen an RFC from IETF
> recommending that. However, whether it is '--' or '-- ' inserted is up
> to my mailer, not my .sig. I'll see if I can work around the mailer
> bug, as you call it, to put a space after the sig separator.
FYI, when googling for "sigdashes", the first hit turns up
<http://bluesmoon.blogspot.com/2005/01/sigdashes.html>, which contains
some history and configuration options for various mailers.
> And next time somebody complains about my signature, I'll drop a hippo
> on them (if they didn't do it to me first). :)
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-e-e-e-e-e-e-SPLAT! Besides, who am I to complain --
I *like* to eat dessert first... :-D
Igor
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* RE: Permissions problem - odd setup
2006-02-22 13:49 Permissions problem - odd setup Eric Blake
2006-02-22 14:21 ` Igor Peshansky
@ 2006-02-22 14:24 ` Dave Korn
2006-02-23 4:55 ` George
2 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Dave Korn @ 2006-02-22 14:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 'nanoo-nanau!'
On 22 February 2006 13:49, Eric Blake wrote:
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> Andrew DeFaria wrote:
>>> --
>>> Eric Blake
>> Just a little note here but a proper signature delimiter is two dashes
>> followed by a space. You lack a space.
>
> And where is that rule written? I've never seen an RFC from IETF
> recommending that.
It's in Son-of-RFC1036.
cheers,
DaveK
--
Can't think of a witty .sigline today....
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* Re: Permissions problem - odd setup
2006-02-22 13:49 Permissions problem - odd setup Eric Blake
2006-02-22 14:21 ` Igor Peshansky
2006-02-22 14:24 ` Dave Korn
@ 2006-02-23 4:55 ` George
2006-02-23 10:32 ` Dave Korn
2006-02-23 14:09 ` One Angry User
2 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: George @ 2006-02-23 4:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: The Cygwin-Talk Malingering List
On Wed, Feb 22, 2006 at 06:49:26AM -0700, Eric Blake wrote:
> Andrew DeFaria wrote:
> > > --
> > > Eric Blake
> > Just a little note here but a proper signature delimiter is two
> > dashes followed by a space. You lack a space.
>
> And where is that rule written? I've never seen an RFC from IETF
> recommending that. However, whether it is '--' or '-- ' inserted is
> up to my mailer, not my .sig. I'll see if I can work around the
> mailer bug, as you call it, to put a space after the sig separator.
>
> And next time somebody complains about my signature [hippo comments
> redacted].
It's not simply a matter of "somebody" complaining. Many mailers
(Thunderbird on Windows, included) will format a signature in an
alternate colour when the correct '-- ' appears so as to delineate the
signature from body text. Just as importantly, the signature gets
automagically stripped from the quoted text when writing a reply.
So, you see, using a non-standard delimiter can be problematic
irrespective of the existence of an explicit RFC. Whether this affects
email users to the same extent as certain forms of wildlife, I'll leave
as an exercise to any hippo reading this.
In a perfect world, email would be take the form of written
correspondence, be text only, line lengths would be 74 characters or
less, and appropriate text would be quoted. Given that's not the case,
it would go a long way to have extraneous noise such as name and contact
information, pithy comments, disclaimers, ascii renderings, unsubscribe
and advertising footers, but no hippos (they couldn't possibly fit)
relegated to a 4-line signature. Think of it as an environmental issue.
Regards.
--
George
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* RE: Permissions problem - odd setup
2006-02-23 4:55 ` George
@ 2006-02-23 10:32 ` Dave Korn
2006-02-23 14:09 ` One Angry User
1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Dave Korn @ 2006-02-23 10:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 'a perfect world'
On 23 February 2006 04:55, George wrote:
> So, you see, using a non-standard delimiter can be problematic
> irrespective of the existence of an explicit RFC. Whether this affects
> email users to the same extent as certain forms of wildlife, I'll leave
> as an exercise to any hippo reading this.
I believe hippos are quite happy with the notion of a "de facto standard" :)
> In a perfect world, email would be take the form of written
> correspondence, be text only, line lengths would be 74 characters or
> less, and appropriate text would be quoted.
In a _perfect_ world, email would all be worth reading, and the depth and
beauty of the content would shine forth so brilliantly as to render the form
unimportant, shallow and insubstantial.
Alas this is an imperfect world, hence the medium is the message, hence
email brings us usenet, flame wars and spam.[*]
> Given that's not the case,
> it would go a long way to have extraneous noise such as name and contact
> information, pithy comments, disclaimers, ascii renderings, unsubscribe
> and advertising footers, but no hippos
Actually, in a /really/ *really* _perfect_ perfect world, this story would
be true:- http://www.pattayamail.com/309/columns.htm#hd7
> (they couldn't possibly fit)
> relegated to a 4-line signature. Think of it as an environmental issue.
This email was written on recycled electrons!
cheers,
DaveK
[*] - Some of these may not be all bad things, but assignment of subjective
moral values is left as an exercise for the consciousness of the presumed
reader.[**]
[**} - Assignment of /ob/jective moral values is left as an exercise for
consciousness of the presumed second-order god coefficient.
--
Can't think of a witty .sigline today....
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* Re: Permissions problem - odd setup
2006-02-23 4:55 ` George
2006-02-23 10:32 ` Dave Korn
@ 2006-02-23 14:09 ` One Angry User
1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: One Angry User @ 2006-02-23 14:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: The Cygwin-Talk Malingering List
On a gloomy Wednesday morning, the 22nd day of February, 2006, George's computer deigned to emit the following stream of bytes:
> In a perfect world, email would be take the form of written
> correspondence, be text only, line lengths would be 74 characters or
> less, and appropriate text would be quoted. Given that's not the case,
> it would go a long way to have extraneous noise such as name and contact
> information, pithy comments, disclaimers, ascii renderings, unsubscribe
> and advertising footers, but no hippos (they couldn't possibly fit)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> relegated to a 4-line signature. Think of it as an environmental issue.
I beg to differ.
OAU
--
^^^ Note, a proper signature lead-in, too :-p _,-^-;,-'''''-.
/_ ` ) ` \
`-., _, ; /
Hippos of the world, unite! )_))_,-_,-/_( jrei
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