Re: Looking for man pages

Re: Looking for man pages

[Andrew Louie]

On 8/7/07, Bob McConnell <> wrote:
> I tried "info make" and then '?'. The first nuisance was not being able
> to scroll a line at a time. Having the page jump up half a screen when I
> got to the bottom was jarring. But it was the 20 pages of emacs key maps
> that actually convinced me I was barking up the wrong tree. Life is too
> precious to waste like that. In my case I prefer to spend what little
> time I have left with my grandchildren.

But Think about all the time you'll be saving in the long run if you
took a little time here or there to learn either emacs keys or vi
keys. (vi is better =P )

It seriously pains me to see people use notepad, constantly shifting
from keyboard to mouse, to keyboard, holding down arrow keys...
scrolling even *shudder*

vi has ruined me, I find myself constantly typing extraneous "^" and
"$" and "r" among others in all my documents :(

-- 
-Andrew Louie

RE: Looking for man pages

[Dave Korn]

On 07 August 2007 18:55, Bob McConnell wrote:

  I didn't invite you to bring your spiteful, vitriolic little diatribe into
my personal inbox, so I'm sending this back to the list.  However, since we're
getting way off-topic, I'm moving the thread to the -talk list, which is where
rants belong.  Please keep it there when following up.

>>   Learn the half-dozen simplest commands:  cursor keys,
>> space, del, 'n', 'p'
>> and 'b' for navigation, and '/' for searching.  That's 99.9%
>> of all you'll
>> ever need.  Pretend the rest just doesn't exist, if it scares
>> you so much.
> 
> Dave,
> 
> It doesn't scare me at all. It simply informs me that the application is
> seriously over-developed and bloated, which makes it unusable as a
> simple help file viewer.

  This is a complete non-sequitur.  The features which you do not use have NO
EFFECT.  It works absolutely fine as a "simple help file viewer" every single
day of the week.  I use those half-dozen simple commands and nothing else and
you know what?  All that extra stuff HAS NO EFFECT!  It is exactly the same
amount as usable as if it *only* had those half-dozen simple commands.

  The problem is entirely in your own head:  apparently, just *knowing* that
it's there somehow affects the usability of the program for you.  That's
*your* psychological problem.  There's no way you can justify that claim.

> Like emacs, from which is was apparently
> derived, it was most likely created by an elitist for elitists, simply
> to give them another reason to thumb their noses at people with less
> time on their hands. Unfortunately, as good as emacs might be, it came
> along a decade or two too late for me to get involved in that lifestyle.

  You're being a inverse snob here.  It's utter paranoia to suppose that any
of this was designed in order to exclude you.  You have a serious attitude
problem to assert that you have some kind of insight into the mentality of the
designers; you weren't there at the time, you know nothing about the
motivations for their decisions or anything else, you just ASSUME that they
must be bad people who were trying to get at you.

> And before you respond, let me just tell you that I have pointed this
> problem out in other forums and the reactions were both quick and
> personal, telling me that I am indeed hitting a raw nerve.

  You're provoking it.  Why is it only other people who are being personal
when they respond, and not you being personal when you call people elitists
and say they're only doing things in order to thumb their noses?  Because
you're operating a double-standard, that's why.

  You're projecting your personal chip-on-your-shoulder out into the world and
blaming everyone else for your attitude problem.  No wonder people don't like
you.  How smug and complacent are you to assume that, when everyone else in
the world disagrees with you, it's because you're right about everything and
are hitting a raw nerve, rather than because you're just being a jerk?

    cheers,
      DaveK
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RE: Looking for man pages

[Gary R. Van Sickle]

> From: Dave Korn

[snip SCREAMING about... info key bindings?]

>   You're projecting your personal chip-on-your-shoulder out 
> into the world and blaming everyone else for your attitude 
> problem.  No wonder people don't like you.  How smug and 
> complacent are you to assume that, when everyone else in the 
> world disagrees with you, it's because you're right about 
> everything and are hitting a raw nerve, rather than because 
> you're just being a jerk?

Ouch.  Looks like Bob really hit a nerve.  ;-)

-- 
Gary R. Van Sickle
 

RE: Looking for man pages

[Dave Korn]

On 08 August 2007 02:54, Gary R. Van Sickle wrote:

>> From: Dave Korn
> 
> [snip SCREAMING about... info key bindings?]

  It strikes me that there are far worse things to worry about in the state of
the world.
 
>>   You're projecting your personal chip-on-your-shoulder out
>> into the world and blaming everyone else for your attitude
>> problem.  No wonder people don't like you.  How smug and
>> complacent are you to assume that, when everyone else in the
>> world disagrees with you, it's because you're right about
>> everything and are hitting a raw nerve, rather than because
>> you're just being a jerk?
> 
> Ouch.  Looks like Bob really hit a nerve.  ;-)

  They laughed at Galileo.  They laughed at Columbus.

  Mind you, that Bozo the Clown really ticked them all off....  


  ;-)

    cheers,
      DaveK
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