* Microsoft acquired SysInternals?
@ 2006-11-08 14:12 Igor Peshansky
2006-11-08 14:22 ` Dave Korn
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From: Igor Peshansky @ 2006-11-08 14:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: The Cygwin-Talk Maiming List
Well, it was bound to happen sooner or later... The surprising thing is
that they only started redirecting to the Microsoft site yesterday (the
day before I showed one of my colleagues how to download Process Explorer,
and it was still the old SysInternals.com site).
Igor
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* RE: Microsoft acquired SysInternals?
2006-11-08 14:12 Microsoft acquired SysInternals? Igor Peshansky
@ 2006-11-08 14:22 ` Dave Korn
2006-11-08 15:18 ` Jonathan Arnold
2006-11-08 20:35 ` Brian Dessent
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From: Dave Korn @ 2006-11-08 14:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 'sucks to be microsfot'
On 08 November 2006 14:12, Igor Peshansky wrote:
> Well, it was bound to happen sooner or later...
The acquisition was some time ago as it happens; it was fairly widely
discussed at the time.
> The surprising thing is
> that they only started redirecting to the Microsoft site yesterday (the
> day before I showed one of my colleagues how to download Process Explorer,
> and it was still the old SysInternals.com site).
And guess what! The scumbags have withdrawn all of sysinternals' source
codes, using the bogus 'explanation' that it might cause "integration problems
[...] with other Windows components". MS is acting like the worst cliched
stereotype of itself. <spit>
Never forget, however, that your use of the tools remains governed by the
original sysinternals license, which contained no provisions for transfer or
assignment[*], and not any new "improved" MS licensing terms...
cheers,
DaveK
[*] -
http://web.archive.org/web/20050323060844/http://www.sysinternals.com/licensin
g.shtml
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* Re: Microsoft acquired SysInternals?
2006-11-08 14:22 ` Dave Korn
@ 2006-11-08 15:18 ` Jonathan Arnold
2006-11-08 20:35 ` Brian Dessent
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From: Jonathan Arnold @ 2006-11-08 15:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: The Cygwin-Talk Maiming List
Dave Korn wrote:
> On 08 November 2006 14:12, Igor Peshansky wrote:
>
>> Well, it was bound to happen sooner or later...
>
> The acquisition was some time ago as it happens; it was fairly widely
> discussed at the time.
Yup, and I was just waiting for the hammer to fall.
>> The surprising thing is
>> that they only started redirecting to the Microsoft site yesterday (the
>> day before I showed one of my colleagues how to download Process Explorer,
>> and it was still the old SysInternals.com site).
>
> And guess what! The scumbags have withdrawn all of sysinternals' source
> codes, using the bogus 'explanation' that it might cause "integration problems
> [...] with other Windows components". MS is acting like the worst cliched
> stereotype of itself. <spit>
And that was it exactly. What an incredibly bogus explanation! And to do it so
"breathlessly" to make it sound like it even made sense:
http://blogs.technet.com/sysinternals/archive/2006/10/30/sysinternals-site-migration.aspx
"Source Code: The number of source code downloads didn't justify
the migration, support, and possible integration problems it might
cause with other Windows components down the road."
Ack. Gag me with a spoon already. "Justify" indeed.
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* Re: Microsoft acquired SysInternals?
2006-11-08 14:22 ` Dave Korn
2006-11-08 15:18 ` Jonathan Arnold
@ 2006-11-08 20:35 ` Brian Dessent
2006-11-08 20:48 ` Christopher Faylor
2006-11-09 0:44 ` Dave Korn
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From: Brian Dessent @ 2006-11-08 20:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: The Cygwin-Talk Maiming List
Dave Korn wrote:
> And guess what! The scumbags have withdrawn all of sysinternals' source
> codes, using the bogus 'explanation' that it might cause "integration problems
> [...] with other Windows components". MS is acting like the worst cliched
> stereotype of itself. <spit>
>
> Never forget, however, that your use of the tools remains governed by the
> original sysinternals license, which contained no provisions for transfer or
> assignment[*], and not any new "improved" MS licensing terms...
Yes, this was foreseen to happen when the announcement was made, and
fortunately somebody made a copy of every utility and source code
package on the site on that date:
http://dessent.net/tmp/Sysinternals-all-2006-07-18.rar [13.1 MB]
Brian
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* Re: Microsoft acquired SysInternals?
2006-11-08 20:35 ` Brian Dessent
@ 2006-11-08 20:48 ` Christopher Faylor
2006-11-09 0:44 ` Dave Korn
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From: Christopher Faylor @ 2006-11-08 20:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: The Cygwin-Talk Maiming List
On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 12:35:25PM -0800, Brian Dessent wrote:
>Dave Korn wrote:
>
>> And guess what! The scumbags have withdrawn all of sysinternals' source
>> codes, using the bogus 'explanation' that it might cause "integration problems
>> [...] with other Windows components". MS is acting like the worst cliched
>> stereotype of itself. <spit>
>>
>> Never forget, however, that your use of the tools remains governed by the
>> original sysinternals license, which contained no provisions for transfer or
>> assignment[*], and not any new "improved" MS licensing terms...
>
>Yes, this was foreseen to happen when the announcement was made, and
>fortunately somebody made a copy of every utility and source code
>package on the site on that date:
>
>http://dessent.net/tmp/Sysinternals-all-2006-07-18.rar [13.1 MB]
Wow. "Somebody" showed remarkable foresight.
It never occurred to me to do that. I thought the site would stick
around in more-or-less it's standard form.
I'm so naive sometimes.
cgf
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* RE: Microsoft acquired SysInternals?
2006-11-08 20:35 ` Brian Dessent
2006-11-08 20:48 ` Christopher Faylor
@ 2006-11-09 0:44 ` Dave Korn
2006-11-09 4:00 ` Charles Wilson
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From: Dave Korn @ 2006-11-09 0:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 'share and enjoy'
On 08 November 2006 20:35, Brian y wrote:
> Yes, this was foreseen to happen when the announcement was made, and
> fortunately somebody made a copy of every utility and source code
> package on the site on that date:
Please pass on my greatest thanks to "somebody". The archive has been
promptly snarfed and mirrored!
cheers,
DaveK
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* Re: Microsoft acquired SysInternals?
2006-11-09 0:44 ` Dave Korn
@ 2006-11-09 4:00 ` Charles Wilson
2006-11-09 13:17 ` Dave Korn
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From: Charles Wilson @ 2006-11-09 4:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: The Cygwin-Talk Maiming List
Dave Korn wrote:
> On 08 November 2006 20:35, Brian y wrote:
>> Yes, this was foreseen to happen when the announcement was made, and
>> fortunately somebody made a copy of every utility and source code
>> package on the site on that date:
>
> Please pass on my greatest thanks to "somebody". The archive has been
> promptly snarfed and mirrored!
Notably, other "somebodies" put similar archives on the various
file-sharing networks...
http://www.mininova.org/search/?search=sysinternals
--
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* RE: Microsoft acquired SysInternals?
2006-11-09 4:00 ` Charles Wilson
@ 2006-11-09 13:17 ` Dave Korn
2006-11-12 5:53 ` Robert Pendell
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From: Dave Korn @ 2006-11-09 13:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: '... not that i would ever condone ...'
On 09 November 2006 04:00, Charles Wilson wrote:
> Dave Korn wrote:
>> On 08 November 2006 20:35, Brian y wrote:
>>> Yes, this was foreseen to happen when the announcement was made, and
>>> fortunately somebody made a copy of every utility and source code
>>> package on the site on that date:
>>
>> Please pass on my greatest thanks to "somebody". The archive has been
>> promptly snarfed and mirrored!
>
> Notably, other "somebodies" put similar archives on the various
> file-sharing networks...
>
> http://www.mininova.org/search/?search=sysinternals
Yes, that's good to know. The mirror had to be taken down for fear of
licensing/copyright issues. It would have been a shame for all that knowledge
to be lost to the world forever...
cheers,
DaveK
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* Re: Microsoft acquired SysInternals?
2006-11-09 13:17 ` Dave Korn
@ 2006-11-12 5:53 ` Robert Pendell
2006-11-12 14:47 ` Dave Korn
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From: Robert Pendell @ 2006-11-12 5:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin-talk
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Dave Korn wrote:
> On 09 November 2006 04:00, Charles Wilson wrote:
>
>> Dave Korn wrote:
>>> On 08 November 2006 20:35, Brian y wrote:
>>>> Yes, this was foreseen to happen when the announcement was made, and
>>>> fortunately somebody made a copy of every utility and source code
>>>> package on the site on that date:
>>> Please pass on my greatest thanks to "somebody". The archive has been
>>> promptly snarfed and mirrored!
>> Notably, other "somebodies" put similar archives on the various
>> file-sharing networks...
>>
>> http://www.mininova.org/search/?search=sysinternals
>
>
> Yes, that's good to know. The mirror had to be taken down for fear of
> licensing/copyright issues. It would have been a shame for all that knowledge
> to be lost to the world forever...
>
> cheers,
> DaveK
Since the older software is still under the older license do you guys
think it would be safe for me to re-distribute the software on my own site?
On a, sort of, unreleated note here. Did anyone notice that NTFSDOS
disappeared? I still have an older copy of it. The read only version
but that has always worked out fine. Can't find it on the "new"
sysinternals site.
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* RE: Microsoft acquired SysInternals?
2006-11-12 5:53 ` Robert Pendell
@ 2006-11-12 14:47 ` Dave Korn
2006-11-13 4:24 ` Robert Pendell
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From: Dave Korn @ 2006-11-12 14:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 'sucks to be MS'
On 12 November 2006 05:53, Robert Pendell wrote:
> Since the older software is still under the older license do you guys
> think it would be safe for me to re-distribute the software on my own site?
No. Neither license permits redistribution.
> On a, sort of, unreleated note here. Did anyone notice that NTFSDOS
> disappeared? I still have an older copy of it. The read only version
> but that has always worked out fine. Can't find it on the "new"
> sysinternals site.
I didn't notice that, but I did spot something about how they weren't going
to support the entire tool range. I see TDIMon is missing as well. Ah,
here's the rationale for not migrating NTFSDOS:
http://blogs.technet.com/sysinternals/archive/2006/10/30/sysinternals-site-mig
ration.aspx
Downloads: We will be migrating most Sysinternals tools to Microsoft.Com
Downloads which has additional bandwidth for a better end-user experience. At
Marks direction, we are not going to be migrating 100% of the tools for one
of the following reasons:
1. It only worked on Win9x or DOS the number of downloads didnt justify
the migration. These were eventually going to be removed from Sysinternals
anyway.
cheers,
DaveK
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* Re: Microsoft acquired SysInternals?
2006-11-12 14:47 ` Dave Korn
@ 2006-11-13 4:24 ` Robert Pendell
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From: Robert Pendell @ 2006-11-13 4:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin-talk
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Dave Korn wrote:
> On 12 November 2006 05:53, Robert Pendell wrote:
>
>
>> Since the older software is still under the older license do you guys
>> think it would be safe for me to re-distribute the software on my own site?
>
> No. Neither license permits redistribution.
>
Ahh... OK. Never did read through the original license agreement.
Thanks for letting me know about that.
>> On a, sort of, unreleated note here. Did anyone notice that NTFSDOS
>> disappeared? I still have an older copy of it. The read only version
>> but that has always worked out fine. Can't find it on the "new"
>> sysinternals site.
>
> I didn't notice that, but I did spot something about how they weren't going
> to support the entire tool range. I see TDIMon is missing as well. Ah,
> here's the rationale for not migrating NTFSDOS:
>
> http://blogs.technet.com/sysinternals/archive/2006/10/30/sysinternals-site-mig
> ration.aspx
>
> Downloads: We will be migrating most Sysinternals tools to Microsoft.Com
> Downloads which has additional bandwidth for a better end-user experience. At
> Mark?s direction, we are not going to be migrating 100% of the tools for one
> of the following reasons:
>
> 1. It only worked on Win9x or DOS ? the number of downloads didn?t justify
> the migration. These were eventually going to be removed from Sysinternals
> anyway.
>
Well that explains alot. I love NTFSDOS though and use it for
file-recovery purposes. I guess I can see where they were going with it
though.
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