From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16331 invoked by alias); 21 Nov 2013 11:06:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact cygwin-talk-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-talk-owner@cygwin.com Reply-To: The Vulgar and Unprofessional Cygwin-Talk List Mail-Followup-To: cygwin-talk@cygwin.com Received: (qmail 16321 invoked by uid 89); 21 Nov 2013 11:06:44 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=1.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-HELO: calimero.vinschen.de Received: from Unknown (HELO calimero.vinschen.de) (217.91.18.234) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.93/v0.84-503-g423c35a) with ESMTP; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 11:05:34 +0000 Received: by calimero.vinschen.de (Postfix, from userid 500) id EFC801A0085; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 12:05:25 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 11:06:00 -0000 From: Corinna Vinschen To: cygwin-talk@cygwin.com Subject: Re: Manifest Density [Was: Re: cygcheck -svc segfaults on Windows 8.1 with cygwin64] Message-ID: <20131121110525.GB2936@calimero.vinschen.de> Reply-To: cygwin-talk@cygwin.com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin-talk@cygwin.com References: <1384839303.14356.YahooMailNeo@web125203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20131119100343.GA27525@calimero.vinschen.de> <528B93E6.3030802@etr-usa.com> <20131119171330.GF2936@calimero.vinschen.de> <528BEF61.7050402@etr-usa.com> <20131120100303.GM2936@calimero.vinschen.de> <528CB0CF.3080406@cwilson.fastmail.fm> <528D67A2.3020906@etr-usa.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3IyuMspwcGTbYISR" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <528D67A2.3020906@etr-usa.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-SW-Source: 2013-q4/txt/msg00007.txt.bz2 --3IyuMspwcGTbYISR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-length: 1341 On Nov 20 18:53, Warren Young wrote: > On 11/20/2013 05:53, Charles Wilson wrote: > >So it's a play on words: Manifest Density vs. Manifest Destiny. >=20 > Yes. >=20 > The policy of manifest destiny is a form of pure arrogance: This is > the way it will happen and everyone will either like it or get > steamrolled by the inevitable. >=20 > ...Much like Microsoft "encouraging" apps to use manifest files. >=20 > And I agree, the Microsoft policy implemented by this API *is* > dense. The denser an object is, the less affected it is by incoming > matter. Density is a function of arrogance, so when reason speaks to > arrogance, little happens. What bugs me most is that this manifest enforcement runs completely over the head of community-driven projects. But even so. If some company wants to make sure their applications run on the new OS, it's *not* enough anymore to test. "Yeah, our product still works, nothing to do". Rather, Microsoft practically forces=20 software companies to create new versions, which is a big deal and costs money for nothing. And in a case of a community project like Cygwin, we just can't rebuild all of our packages just to follow up with new manifests. Fortunately there is the chance to use side-by-side manifests, but that's really ugly, isn't it? Twice as many entries in /bin, urgh. Corinna --3IyuMspwcGTbYISR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-length: 836 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSjej1AAoJEPU2Bp2uRE+gyXAP/3xbqxTzABIaNoQ3YYN6Aodx uNUiD1hQfoHMEWO60lGMabYPNJjrdibDawDTrlwky1uSGD5uYLxFxHFXcM66DIgF V9Dog/SApE8gMfL/mUCei1zXpJV+nZW6uU0VqpWyIqg5omNnzpu81hB0cvA7YDr2 LTN/F6HIdpJ2WfVHM8f6LWzh7jIYu2ORUE/Qj9KbPMBDSHdC+2sdffJJzR8aGoVh zq3y79BfJN/fTWlbL664ckXjI5EjzFbAc+obGK1EKRK/c0Ss7T2ZjCxF9JmR/4Za aaNR/LhJ6xvXl+Yr0Olp/pe7r2aeVYB62hfmhLzFigj7C1VZUGeqEp/FnjfkLsOA Z5KolCsogxoNgmbSWxH7qHhzrf5Nz6baonq2aS5U/jqvYvuRY8uLvxb8HsxO0+Ks x3oRBEldNB3NwCXXRc+fS7NzxBszx+2sno4b0CHr0CZmfcCaOuTMv6rq5XrD+W1D CKShDhPDAuuLpTRVlva7MxkiDUwD9yap/9o7kPVmPQ01O6SROQuzaZJY6wl1gtL2 4H4Sz/wfuwBzoEcf4BWjplpJlyjqOa86OyoSeTQolOTe875qDY4rxaSC0Z46acNV 8K6JZlTHb740/1nYC1u5QMJbo1Mnj3GRf9ojRdvQqBQvI8S+Pu+moiabC8Dm3hjA /6FeateuZrf5XjNnB7o3 =bc7W -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3IyuMspwcGTbYISR--