From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9143 invoked by alias); 25 Feb 2009 08:24:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 9131 invoked by uid 22791); 25 Feb 2009 08:24:31 -0000 X-SWARE-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Received: from smail5.alcatel.fr (HELO smail5.alcatel.fr) (62.23.212.27) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.43rc1) with ESMTP; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 08:24:22 +0000 Received: from FRVELSBHS02.ad2.ad.alcatel.com (frvelsbhs02.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [155.132.6.74]) by smail5.alcatel.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8/ICT) with ESMTP id n1P8OEkr007937 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:24:18 +0100 Received: from [151.98.110.29] ([151.98.110.29]) by FRVELSBHS02.ad2.ad.alcatel.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:24:15 +0100 Message-ID: <49A50024.4060202@alcatel-lucent.it> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 08:24:00 -0000 From: Danilo Turina User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Talk Amongst Yourselves Subject: Top post vs. bottom post (was: Re: [CFT] libtool on nix->cygwin cross, with wine) References: <49A37F05.8050900@cwilson.fastmail.fm> <20090224123655.dd559d60.Rhubbell@iHubbell.com> <49A46366.5050605@sbcglobal.net> <20090224133507.543ed1cf.Rhubbell@iHubbell.com> <87f94c370902241433h7701dae1lc652feb0abae8eae@mail.gmail.com> <49A4786A.2060301@benjammin.net> In-Reply-To: <49A4786A.2060301@benjammin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-IsSubscribed: yes Mailing-List: contact cygwin-talk-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-talk-owner@cygwin.com Reply-To: The Vulgar and Unprofessional Cygwin-Talk List X-SW-Source: 2009-q1/txt/msg00035.txt.bz2 Ben Kamen wrote: > > > Greg Freemyer wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 4:35 PM, rhubbell wrote: >>> On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:15:33 -0500 >>> Greg Chicares wrote: >>>> By the way, this list discourages full quoting: >>>> http://www.cygwin.com/acronyms/#TOFU >>> Ok, this is one neurotic list. >> >> A lot of Linux mailing lists have that policy. Especially if it is >> high volume or has a large subscriber base. The idea is that someone >> can read a single email and understand it without having to bounce all >> over the place. > > What still always makes me laugh is the people who are so emphatic about > top vs. bottom posting. > > (someone even had a clever .sig showing the flow of top posting and how > "backwards" it is) > > But honestly, we humans have remarkable brains that let us put back > together the conversation in either order. > Is it really *that* hard? Maybe for some. I just think as you do. For me top posting has ever been THE way to reply to e-mails. I always used it at work and at home (unless it was more useful to do an inline reply). I just find it more natural than bottom posting, for the reason that if I'm following a thread post by post, I don't want to re-read every time all the things that have been said, instead I only care about the last thing said. Imho, it's just a matter of personal preference AND of the tools that one uses (people often forget that if you use a hammer you'll tend to thing everything as a nail (even if it's not)). I don't like zealotry and I recognize the importance of being pragmatic (even if I'm not always able to be pragmatic and sometimes I'm a zealot). I top posted in one of the Cygwin lists, I have been said that it was wrong there, I explained my reasons and told that I didn't want to scroll till the end of the e-mail each time and was answered that other e-mail clients allowed that easily. I searched and installed an addon for Thunderbird (QuoteCollapse) that helped me in surviving here. Full stop. To summarize: I don't like bottom posting, I prefer top posting. But I'm not here to change the world, just to follow a bunch of lists that talks about a product that I use. I'm a human: I adapt myself to new situations and I understand that other people think in a different way than me. Last point: I'm not interested in convincing anybody that my thinking is better than his/her. I'm not interested in helping anyone understand that two different thinkings/point of views can cohexist without harm. Ciao, Danilo -- Danilo Turina Alcatel-Lucent Software Developer OND Network Management Rieti (Italy) Phone: +39 0746 600332 7 anni 10 mesi 15 giorni 23 ore 33 minuti 30 secondi