From: Dave Korn <dave.korn.cygwin@googlemail.com>
To: The Obscure and Esoteric Cygwin-Talk List <cygwin-talk@cygwin.com>
Subject: Re: Your setting Return-Path to YOU in your cygwin@cygwin postings
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 13:18:00 -0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <49AFD35C.8080401@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <45E05A5031511FBDC9B6D640@orees.hpl.hp.com>
Owen Rees wrote:
> All that would be needed to make this work would be to update all mail
> clients
<g> That's probably the oldest meme on the internet. "All we need do to
make X work is update every Y in the world".
> I am not convinced that Mail-Followup-To is common practice. Do most
> mailing lists insert it? cygwin apparently does but cygwin-talk does not
> nor do any of the other mailing lists to which I subscribe. Do the most
> widely used clients and webmail services support it?
It's a client header, so the question is not whether other lists insert it
or not, but how well supported it is by common mail clients. There's a list
at DJB's page (many years out of date) that mentions qmail, mutt, Gnus, Kmail
and SquirrelMail, and I spent five minutes googling and discovered that since
then it has also become supported by packages such as emacs and Thunderbird.
So it's reasonable to say that it has a fair degree of adoption.
This is how the internet has always worked: someone proposes an idea, some
other people support it in software, everyone tries it out and if it works
good it gets widely-adopted. The whole standardisation process is very much
an after-the-fact matter of documenting what the de facto standards are and
providing a gold-standard for interoperability so that any little misaligned
wrinkles between the various implementations can be ironed out.
> It is certainly true that using Return-Path for replies is wrong but
> there are very few circumstances under which it is used at all. The
> return-path line preserves the reverse-path information from the SMTP
> envelope; it is the envelope reverse-path that is used to report errors,
> the return-path line usually does not exist at the point where delivery
> errors are detected.
The most widespread use is in NDRs, which add "Return-Path: <>" so that you
don't get bounces, loops and explosions of NDRs for NDRs for NDRs and so on.
cheers,
DaveK
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2009-03-04 11:59 ` Dave Korn
2009-03-04 12:30 ` Owen Rees
2009-03-04 16:30 ` Dave Korn
2009-03-04 16:45 ` Christopher Faylor
2009-03-04 17:04 ` Owen Rees
2009-03-04 18:16 ` Dave Korn
2009-03-05 10:57 ` Owen Rees
2009-03-05 13:18 ` Dave Korn [this message]
2009-03-05 15:56 ` Owen Rees
2009-03-05 18:32 ` Morgan Gangwere
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