From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8358 invoked by alias); 17 Nov 2011 21:07:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 8351 invoked by uid 22791); 17 Nov 2011 21:07:49 -0000 X-SWARE-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,RP_MATCHES_RCVD,SPF_HELO_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Received: from mx1.redhat.com (HELO mx1.redhat.com) (209.132.183.28) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.43rc1) with ESMTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 21:07:27 +0000 Received: from int-mx10.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (int-mx10.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.23]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pAHL7QM7031469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:07:27 -0500 Received: from [10.3.113.130] (ovpn-113-130.phx2.redhat.com [10.3.113.130]) by int-mx10.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pAHL7QSB009290 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:07:26 -0500 Message-ID: <4EC5778D.2080902@redhat.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 21:07:00 -0000 From: Eric Blake User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110930 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "why do they even try?" Subject: Re: Problems with updating nearly any package meant for Cygwin or using packages such as libtool References: <32849825.post@talk.nabble.com> <4EC2CFA2.40007@cygwin.com> <32857072.post@talk.nabble.com> <4EC41689.8090601@gmail.com> <32861517.post@talk.nabble.com> <4EC50550.7020403@gmail.com> <4EC56FB1.4000007@gmail.com> <4EC570BC.2010202@gmail.com> <4EC5739F.3000600@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4EC5739F.3000600@gmail.com> OpenPGP: url=http://people.redhat.com/eblake/eblake.gpg Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigFC3AF17CEC9FE855931E84A2" X-IsSubscribed: yes Mailing-List: contact cygwin-talk-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-talk-owner@cygwin.com Reply-To: The Vulgar and Unprofessional Cygwin-Talk List Mail-Followup-To: cygwin-talk@cygwin.com X-SW-Source: 2011-q4/txt/msg00036.txt.bz2 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigFC3AF17CEC9FE855931E84A2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-length: 1205 On 11/17/2011 01:50 PM, Dave Korn wrote: >> Whoops, no they can't. The hydra configure script isn't from autconf = at >> all; it's just hand-written. >=20 > Good grief. It also has a Makefile.am and a Makefile.in, but it doesn'= t use > automake, and their contents are unrelated. It just cats them together i= nto > the final makefile! I love this quote: https://www.gnu.org/software/autoconf/manual/autoconf.html#Pointers > As your software is distributed to more and more users, however, you othe= rwise quickly find yourself putting lots of effort into reinventing the ser= vices that the GNU build tools provide, and making the same mistakes that t= hey once made and overcame. Autotools may not be the best out there, and might not be the easiest to develop with, but there's hands down nothing more complete and portable that could take over the impressive role played by the autotools in generating predictable configure and make setups. It always makes me cringe to see other projects that just don't get that fact, suffering through the problems already solved by autotools. --=20 Eric Blake eblake@redhat.com +1-919-301-3266 Libvirt virtualization library http://libvirt.org --------------enigFC3AF17CEC9FE855931E84A2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-length: 620 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Public key at http://people.redhat.com/eblake/eblake.gpg Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJOxXeOAAoJEKeha0olJ0NqZbUIAK2qYZx550YY9fYwFk2ucJgQ L/Y/j+cbPBsM+lCHt0jss7MO7FWkUxb3vxh3YiA6UoUrCX3TUgtT5Q5P3R+ttmkM +j504LRCWMUpK6ZlML+Yk8TO3sT0zi5Dsbf8FeHI7XlbpDl8TOy0GGXZMzJYUoOD dX7SIBY2LfUsxeZ2HKn67XJ9b5bIWGg8L1D/WYP9y6A0r2tUK17+HCxfy7Z2H4Eq JQiAjEQo4tb5vU14ccdGvH2bc5ovbcvjpM1MAtzav3iOv8UOFbqTfJ6iQT580I6q 1OTtHYeDgSrp/rDhnUDQwhLL8qmmMzQ+8QfxxYyfxH7tOVIWeRdDMZmxoEgKmUc= =qAos -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigFC3AF17CEC9FE855931E84A2--