From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23287 invoked by alias); 9 May 2014 12:13:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact cygwin-talk-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-talk-owner@cygwin.com Reply-To: The Vulgar and Unprofessional Cygwin-Talk List Mail-Followup-To: cygwin-talk@cygwin.com Received: (qmail 23278 invoked by uid 89); 9 May 2014 12:13:40 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-HELO: etr-usa.com Received: from etr-usa.com (HELO etr-usa.com) (130.94.180.135) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.93/v0.84-503-g423c35a) with ESMTP; Fri, 09 May 2014 12:13:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 66139 invoked by uid 13447); 9 May 2014 12:13:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [172.20.0.42]) ([68.35.121.157]) (envelope-sender ) by 130.94.180.135 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 9 May 2014 12:13:38 -0000 Message-ID: <536CC670.2040406@etr-usa.com> Date: Fri, 09 May 2014 12:13:00 -0000 From: Warren Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: The Vulgar and Unprofessional Cygwin-Talk List Subject: Re: On why bottom posting.... References: <536796E4.2090009@breisch.org> <20140505135928.GK30918@calimero.vinschen.de> <53679D5C.5030209@breisch.org> <20140505144745.GA6993@calimero.vinschen.de> <5367ACED.40409@breisch.org> <20140505154230.GB7694@calimero.vinschen.de> <5367B990.8050907@breisch.org> <20140505165723.GM30918@calimero.vinschen.de> <5367DEE5.5010407@breisch.org> <5367EA1F.3060800@cygwin.com> <5368094E.7040806@breisch.org> <53680C04.6050609@cygwin.com> <536C25B4.8050504@tlinx.org> In-Reply-To: <536C25B4.8050504@tlinx.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-IsSubscribed: yes X-SW-Source: 2014-q2/txt/msg00005.txt.bz2 On 5/8/2014 18:47, Linda Walsh wrote: > > They don't realize Hasty generalization fallacy. You don't know what they realize. > like most good sources, will put the historical context information > at the end in an appendix. This is either the no true Scotsman fallacy, or denying the antecedent. "My AP History teacher made us cite sources like this, therefore people who don't do it that way are wrong." Most email is conversation, not essay or article writing. The only reason we need quotes at all is that the pieces of the conversation are spaced apart in time and space, so we need context to keep the pieces strung together. > Now if we can just get the bottom-posters to realize that by posting > the footnotes, historical data, and duplicate info at the top > of the document, they are more likely to lose the reader who is > only scanning the first half the page. That's why bottom-posting is supposed to go along with aggressive quote trimming, so that the quote includes only the pithiest possible reference to the prior contribution to the conversation. I *have* noticed a lot of emails to the Cygwin lists with the entire prior conversation seemingly quoted, and one or two sentences appended. If you want to rail against that, I'm right there with you.