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* Windows 10 console slightly less horrid than before
@ 2015-08-06 21:09 Warren Young
  2015-08-06 21:10 ` Daniel Colascione
  2015-08-28 20:41 ` Warren Young
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Warren Young @ 2015-08-06 21:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: The Vulgar and Unprofessional Cygwin-Talk List

https://blogs.windows.com/buildingapps/2014/10/07/console-improvements-in-the-windows-10-technical-preview/

tl;dr:

0. The console window is now resizable.  Like, by dragging on the window edges.  You know, like in Windows 2.0.  Wow!  :)

1. Text selection and pasting now works line-by-line, not as a block of unrelated lines.  ...Just like every *ix terminal program since forever.

2. Extensive keyboard text editing.  It's not up to the standards of xterm plus Bash’s emacs mode, but it’s far better than they had before.

3. Keyboard copy/paste, in Windows-native flavor (Ctrl-C/V/X) and xterm flavor (Ctrl/Shift-Ins).  Unfortunately, no xterm-like mouse copy/paste.

I’m not giving up mintty and Bash, but it’s nice to know the occasional dip into cmd.exe won’t be such a sharp shock.

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* Re: Windows 10 console slightly less horrid than before
  2015-08-06 21:09 Windows 10 console slightly less horrid than before Warren Young
@ 2015-08-06 21:10 ` Daniel Colascione
  2015-08-06 21:11   ` Warren Young
  2015-08-28 20:41 ` Warren Young
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Daniel Colascione @ 2015-08-06 21:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: The Vulgar and Unprofessional Cygwin-Talk List

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On 08/06/2015 02:09 PM, Warren Young wrote:
> https://blogs.windows.com/buildingapps/2014/10/07/console-improvements-in-the-windows-10-technical-preview/
> 
> tl;dr:
> 
> 0. The console window is now resizable.  Like, by dragging on the window edges.  You know, like in Windows 2.0.  Wow!  :)
> 
> 1. Text selection and pasting now works line-by-line, not as a block of unrelated lines.  ...Just like every *ix terminal program since forever.
> 
> 2. Extensive keyboard text editing.  It's not up to the standards of xterm plus Bash’s emacs mode, but it’s far better than they had before.
> 
> 3. Keyboard copy/paste, in Windows-native flavor (Ctrl-C/V/X) and xterm flavor (Ctrl/Shift-Ins).  Unfortunately, no xterm-like mouse copy/paste.
> 
> I’m not giving up mintty and Bash, but it’s nice to know the occasional dip into cmd.exe won’t be such a sharp shock.
> 

Still no pseudoconsole API?


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* Re: Windows 10 console slightly less horrid than before
  2015-08-06 21:10 ` Daniel Colascione
@ 2015-08-06 21:11   ` Warren Young
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Warren Young @ 2015-08-06 21:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: The Vulgar and Unprofessional Cygwin-Talk List

On Aug 6, 2015, at 3:10 PM, Daniel Colascione <dancol@dancol.org> wrote:
> 
> Still no pseudoconsole API?

We already knew that wasn’t coming in 10.  It’s on their wishlist.

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* Re: Windows 10 console slightly less horrid than before
  2015-08-06 21:09 Windows 10 console slightly less horrid than before Warren Young
  2015-08-06 21:10 ` Daniel Colascione
@ 2015-08-28 20:41 ` Warren Young
  2015-08-29  7:24   ` Corinna Vinschen
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Warren Young @ 2015-08-28 20:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: The Vulgar and Unprofessional Cygwin-Talk List

On Aug 6, 2015, at 3:09 PM, Warren Young <wyml@etr-usa.com> wrote:
> 
> 3. Keyboard copy/paste, in Windows-native flavor (Ctrl-C/V/X) and xterm flavor (Ctrl/Shift-Ins).  Unfortunately, no xterm-like mouse copy/paste.

Oooh, I just discovered a new trap due to this feature: Ctrl-A is interpreted as “select all”, so you can’t use it for “go to beginning of line” in Bash with Emacs editing.  Grrr…

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* Re: Windows 10 console slightly less horrid than before
  2015-08-28 20:41 ` Warren Young
@ 2015-08-29  7:24   ` Corinna Vinschen
  2015-08-30  2:09     ` Warren Young
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Corinna Vinschen @ 2015-08-29  7:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cygwin-talk

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On Aug 28 14:41, Warren Young wrote:
> On Aug 6, 2015, at 3:09 PM, Warren Young <wyml@etr-usa.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 3. Keyboard copy/paste, in Windows-native flavor (Ctrl-C/V/X) and xterm flavor (Ctrl/Shift-Ins).  Unfortunately, no xterm-like mouse copy/paste.
> 
> Oooh, I just discovered a new trap due to this feature: Ctrl-A is
> interpreted as “select all”, so you can’t use it for “go to beginning
> of line” in Bash with Emacs editing.  Grrr…

Keep Rich Eizenhoefer (address on the list) in the line.  He's a nice
guy and really interested in everything Console.  He might consider some
settings which prefer application shortcuts over global shortcuts or
anything which helps in such a situation, if you explain it nicely.


Corinna

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* Re: Windows 10 console slightly less horrid than before
  2015-08-29  7:24   ` Corinna Vinschen
@ 2015-08-30  2:09     ` Warren Young
  2015-08-30 10:28       ` Corinna Vinschen
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Warren Young @ 2015-08-30  2:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: The Vulgar and Unprofessional Cygwin-Talk List

On Aug 29, 2015, at 1:24 AM, Corinna Vinschen <corinna-cygwin@cygwin.com> wrote:
> 
> settings which prefer application shortcuts over global shortcuts

I was thinking of it more as yet another reason to prefer mintty, and a thing to keep in mind when you must use cmd.exe for some reason, as with my recent testing of the full-screened console window on the main list.

MS is coming at it from the WordPad perspective, whereas mintty is coming at it from the xterm/tty perspective.  They’re going to conflict over things like the meaning of Ctrl-A.

The only reason they haven’t broken Ctrl-C, too, is that they can do that only when there is something selected.

But the Bash/Vim use for Ctrl-V is probably also broken under Windows 10 now, so there goes the normal way of inserting literal control characters into documents, something I end up needing to do once every several months.  (e.g. ^V^O to reset a terminal due to accidentally cat-ing a binary file, or hacking around with ^M to test CR/LF handling in some parser.)

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* Re: Windows 10 console slightly less horrid than before
  2015-08-30  2:09     ` Warren Young
@ 2015-08-30 10:28       ` Corinna Vinschen
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Corinna Vinschen @ 2015-08-30 10:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cygwin-talk

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On Aug 29 20:09, Warren Young wrote:
> On Aug 29, 2015, at 1:24 AM, Corinna Vinschen <corinna-cygwin@cygwin.com> wrote:
> > 
> > settings which prefer application shortcuts over global shortcuts
> 
> I was thinking of it more as yet another reason to prefer mintty, and
> a thing to keep in mind when you must use cmd.exe for some reason, as
> with my recent testing of the full-screened console window on the main
> list.
> 
> MS is coming at it from the WordPad perspective, whereas mintty is
> coming at it from the xterm/tty perspective.  They’re going to
> conflict over things like the meaning of Ctrl-A.
> 
> The only reason they haven’t broken Ctrl-C, too, is that they can do
> that only when there is something selected.
> 
> But the Bash/Vim use for Ctrl-V is probably also broken under Windows
> 10 now, so there goes the normal way of inserting literal control
> characters into documents, something I end up needing to do once every
> several months.  (e.g. ^V^O to reset a terminal due to accidentally
> cat-ing a binary file, or hacking around with ^M to test CR/LF
> handling in some parser.)

That doesn't invalidate what I wrote, rather to the contrary.  I'm
certain that Rich would appreciate an honest bug report over grumbling
behind the scenes :)


Corinna

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