Sounds interesting

Sounds interesting

[Christopher Faylor]

http://apcmag.com/6512/linux_on_windows_with_lina

cgf

Re: Sounds interesting

[Robert Pendell]

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Oh I hope that it works out well.  This will help with making
more applications cross-platform.  I can see it now... KDE
for windows -- running natively as the system shell and not
via cygwin.

On 6/27/07, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> http://apcmag.com/6512/linux_on_windows_with_lina
>
> cgf
>


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Re: Sounds interesting

[Cesar Strauss]

Christopher Faylor wrote:
> http://apcmag.com/6512/linux_on_windows_with_lina
> 
> cgf
> 

From http://www.openlina.com/faq.html:

> 18. Q: What does LINA stand for?
>     A: LINA is not an acronym.

... or is it?

Re: Sounds interesting

[One Angry User]

On a rainy Wednesday night, the 27th day of June, 2007, Robert Pendell's computer deigned to emit the following stream of bytes:

> Oh I hope that it works out well.  This will help with making
> more applications cross-platform.  I can see it now... KDE
> for windows -- running natively as the system shell and not
> via cygwin.
>
> On 6/27/07, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> > http://apcmag.com/6512/linux_on_windows_with_lina
> >
> > cgf

Yeah, I can't wait to see it running on Windows 200!

OAU

Re: Sounds interesting

[Matthew Woehlke]

Robert Pendell wrote:
> Oh I hope that it works out well.  This will help with making
> more applications cross-platform.  I can see it now... KDE
> for windows -- running natively as the system shell and not
> via cygwin.

Um... have you been paying *any* attention to KDE4 development? KDE 4.1 
is planned to be available as native Windows programs :-).

If you're interested in KDE on Windows, you should come help out; we 
desperately need Windows developers (I am not one ;-), I only do Linux).

-- 
Matthew
"Please remain calm... I may be mad, but I am a professional."
   -- Mad Scientist

Re: Sounds interesting

[Matthew Woehlke]

Cesar Strauss wrote:
> From http://www.openlina.com/faq.html:
> 
>> 18. Q: What does LINA stand for?
>>     A: LINA is not an acronym.
> 
> ... or is it?

It is now! ;-)

-- 
Matthew
"Please remain calm... I may be mad, but I am a professional."
   -- Mad Scientist

Re: Sounds interesting

[Ed C. Lueless]

On Wed, Jun 27, 2007 at 09:07:07PM -0400, One Angry User wrote:
>On a rainy Wednesday night, the 27th day of June, 2007, Robert Pendell's computer deigned to emit the following stream of bytes:
>
>> Oh I hope that it works out well.  This will help with making
>> more applications cross-platform.  I can see it now... KDE
>> for windows -- running natively as the system shell and not
>> via cygwin.
>>
>> On 6/27/07, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>> > http://apcmag.com/6512/linux_on_windows_with_lina
>
>Yeah, I can't wait to see it running on Windows 200!

I don't think there is such a beast.  Maybe you mean Vi$ta.  I think
Mikeysoft might be interested in knowing about a version of Windoze
that was written before there were even computers!

EdC
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RE: Sounds interesting

[Dave Korn]

On 28 June 2007 03:50, Ed C. Lueless wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 27, 2007 at 09:07:07PM -0400, One Angry User wrote:
>> On a rainy Wednesday night, the 27th day of June, 2007, Robert Pendell's
>> computer deigned to emit the following stream of bytes: 
>> 
>>> Oh I hope that it works out well.  This will help with making
>>> more applications cross-platform.  I can see it now... KDE
>>> for windows -- running natively as the system shell and not via cygwin.
>>> 
>>> On 6/27/07, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>>>> http://apcmag.com/6512/linux_on_windows_with_lina
>> 
>> Yeah, I can't wait to see it running on Windows 200!
> 
> I don't think there is such a beast.  Maybe you mean Vi$ta.  I think
> Mikeysoft might be interested in knowing about a version of Windoze
> that was written before there were even computers!
> 
> EdC

  Nah, he means it.  Windows 200(BC) ran on most contemporary abacuses,
although many had to have more beads and thicker wires installed to handle the
heavy system load it imposed.  Known to the Romans as "Windows CC", it was the
first operating system to allow you to send a message to several citizens at
once (by dispatching a bunch of slaves in parallel), and to this day we still
refer to a secondary destination for an email in a "CC" line.

    cheers,
      DaveK
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Re: Sounds interesting

[Warren Young]

Dave Korn wrote:
> 
> Known to the Romans as "Windows CC"....

Oh, yeah, I remember that one.  It was back when BILLVS GATVS was 
chairman of the company, right?

Re: Sounds interesting

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Jun 27 17:52, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> http://apcmag.com/6512/linux_on_windows_with_lina

The dual licensing thingy sounds vaguly like something I have heard
about before...


Corinna

Re: Sounds interesting

[Saro Engels]

Matthew Woehlke schrieb:
> Robert Pendell wrote:
>> Oh I hope that it works out well.  This will help with making
>> more applications cross-platform.  I can see it now... KDE
>> for windows -- running natively as the system shell and not
>> via cygwin.
> 
> Um... have you been paying *any* attention to KDE4 development? KDE 4.1 
> is planned to be available as native Windows programs :-).
> 
> If you're interested in KDE on Windows, you should come help out; we 
> desperately need Windows developers (I am not one ;-), I only do Linux).
> 
Would you mind to post a point where to begin?
And is there any possibility to integrate KDE-apps a bit tighter into 
cygwin? I am thinking of trying to build some cygwin packages.
SE

Re: Sounds interesting

[Christopher Faylor]

On Thu, Jun 28, 2007 at 12:17:38PM +0200, Saro Engels wrote:
> Matthew Woehlke schrieb:
>> Robert Pendell wrote:
>>> Oh I hope that it works out well.  This will help with making
>>> more applications cross-platform.  I can see it now... KDE
>>> for windows -- running natively as the system shell and not
>>> via cygwin.
>> Um... have you been paying *any* attention to KDE4 development? KDE 4.1 is 
>> planned to be available as native Windows programs :-).
>> If you're interested in KDE on Windows, you should come help out; we 
>> desperately need Windows developers (I am not one ;-), I only do Linux).
> Would you mind to post a point where to begin?
> And is there any possibility to integrate KDE-apps a bit tighter into 
> cygwin? I am thinking of trying to build some cygwin packages.

No.  It's absolutely impossible.  KDE-apps are known to chafe if
integrated too tightly.

cgf

Re: Sounds interesting

[Christopher Faylor]

On Thu, Jun 28, 2007 at 09:07:36AM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
>On Jun 27 17:52, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>> http://apcmag.com/6512/linux_on_windows_with_lina
>
>The dual licensing thingy sounds vaguly like something I have heard
>about before...

Yeah.  Me too.  Now if I could only place where I heard about it.

cgf

Re: Sounds interesting

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Jun 28 07:11, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2007 at 09:07:36AM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> >On Jun 27 17:52, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> >> http://apcmag.com/6512/linux_on_windows_with_lina
> >
> >The dual licensing thingy sounds vaguly like something I have heard
> >about before...
> 
> Yeah.  Me too.  Now if I could only place where I heard about it.

Something with C in the name..., or Y..., no, sorry, beats me.


Corinna

Re: Sounds interesting

[Andrew Louie]

On 6/27/07, Dave Korn  wrote:
>   Nah, he means it.  Windows 200(BC) ran on most contemporary abacuses,
> although many had to have more beads and thicker wires installed to handle the
> heavy system load it imposed.  Known to the Romans as "Windows CC", it was the
> first operating system to allow you to send a message to several citizens at
> once (by dispatching a bunch of slaves in parallel), and to this day we still
> refer to a secondary destination for an email in a "CC" line.

Actually the key difference between windows 200 and other modern
abacuses at the time, was that windows 200 required an extra bead for
line breaks, which lead to many headaches for abacuses users trying
get their windows 200 programs to run on more modern abacuses.


-- 
-Andrew Louie

Re: Sounds interesting

[Igor Peshansky]

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007, Corinna Vinschen wrote:

> On Jun 28 07:11, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 28, 2007 at 09:07:36AM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> > >On Jun 27 17:52, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> > >> http://apcmag.com/6512/linux_on_windows_with_lina
> > >
> > >The dual licensing thingy sounds vaguly like something I have heard
> > >about before...
> >
> > Yeah.  Me too.  Now if I could only place where I heard about it.
>
> Something with C in the name..., or Y..., no, sorry, beats me.

"IN".  Definitely "IN".

No, wait, that's LINA...  Never mind.
	Igor
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Re: Sounds interesting

[Matthew Woehlke]

Saro Engels wrote:
> Matthew Woehlke schrieb:
>> If you're interested in KDE on Windows, you should come help out; we 
>> desperately need Windows developers (I am not one ;-), I only do Linux).
>
> Would you mind to post a point where to begin?

Most newcomers introduce themselves on kde-devel, or you could pop onto 
freenode (#kde4-devel) and ask where the Windows developers hang out.

Freenode: http://www.freenode.net
KDE Mailing Lists: http://www.kde.org/mailinglists/

> And is there any possibility to integrate KDE-apps a bit tighter into 
> cygwin? I am thinking of trying to build some cygwin packages.

You probably won't get a lot of support there, currently we're trying to 
build KDE as /native/ Windows binaries, not Cygwin binaries. Maybe you 
could talk about making them 'Cygwin aware' though? At any rate, this 
should probably be moved to kde-devel AT kde DOT org.

A native Cygwin build is likely to be a major undertaking, since you 
have to start with dbus, Qt4.3 and several other libraries that have 
AFAIK never been tried on Cygwin, and as I've said, you're likely to be 
the only one working on them.

-- 
Matthew
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Re: Sounds interesting

[Saro Engels]

Matthew Woehlke schrieb:
> Saro Engels wrote:
>> And is there any possibility to integrate KDE-apps a bit tighter into 
>> cygwin? I am thinking of trying to build some cygwin packages.

That was just wrong what I wrote:
As far as I can see (cf. 
http://www.kdelibs.com/wiki/index.php/Building_KDElibs_4_using_MinGW_with_Qt_4.3) 
cygwin provides most of the build environment for building KDE apps, as 
well as packaging, distribution and installation. There is not such a 
thing neither in the new KDE-apps nor in the existing ports for gtk+ 
etc. What I thought of was using cygwin packages to provide packaging 
for windows apps - like having a subdirectory in the setup list with 
native apps packaged and installing like ordinary cygwin-packages.
That would perhaps mean to extend cygwins setup to a complete package 
manager, which is still missing imo.
SE

Re: Sounds interesting

[Christopher Faylor]

On Thu, Jun 28, 2007 at 07:30:25PM +0200, Saro Engels wrote:
> Matthew Woehlke schrieb:
>> Saro Engels wrote:
>>> And is there any possibility to integrate KDE-apps a bit tighter into 
>>> cygwin? I am thinking of trying to build some cygwin packages.
>
> That was just wrong what I wrote:
> As far as I can see (cf. 
> http://www.kdelibs.com/wiki/index.php/Building_KDElibs_4_using_MinGW_with_Qt_4.3) 
> cygwin provides most of the build environment for building KDE apps, as well 
> as packaging, distribution and installation. There is not such a thing 
> neither in the new KDE-apps nor in the existing ports for gtk+ etc. What I 
> thought of was using cygwin packages to provide packaging for windows apps - 
> like having a subdirectory in the setup list with native apps packaged and 
> installing like ordinary cygwin-packages.
> That would perhaps mean to extend cygwins setup to a complete package 
> manager, which is still missing imo.

But, then, setup.exe was only designed to be a dessert topping so we are very
lucky that it does anything non-culinary at all.

cgf

RE: Sounds interesting

[Dave Korn]

On 28 June 2007 19:45, Christopher Faylor wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 28, 2007 at 07:30:25PM +0200, Saro Engels wrote:
>> Matthew Woehlke schrieb:
>>> Saro Engels wrote:
>>>> And is there any possibility to integrate KDE-apps a bit tighter into
>>>> cygwin? I am thinking of trying to build some cygwin packages.
>> 
>> That was just wrong what I wrote:
>> As far as I can see (cf.
>>
http://www.kdelibs.com/wiki/index.php/Building_KDElibs_4_using_MinGW_with_Qt_4
.3)
>> cygwin provides most of the build environment for building KDE apps, as
>> well as packaging, distribution and installation. There is not such a thing
>> neither in the new KDE-apps nor in the existing ports for gtk+ etc. What I
>> thought of was using cygwin packages to provide packaging for windows apps
>> - like having a subdirectory in the setup list with native apps packaged
>> and installing like ordinary cygwin-packages.
>> That would perhaps mean to extend cygwins setup to a complete package
>> manager, which is still missing imo.
> 
> But, then, setup.exe was only designed to be a dessert topping so we are
> very lucky that it does anything non-culinary at all.
> 
> cgf


  Yes, I ... <slips>  whoooaaaaaah! 

  Say, the floor in here is looking beautifully shiny and clean...


    cheers,
      DaveK
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Re: Sounds interesting

[Robert Pendell]

Well I have been out of the linux loop for a while so I was unaware
that KDE had already planned on making a native windows version.  It
would be nice because then I can finally get a good reason to get rid
of explorer on my laptop.  Unfortunately I won't be able to contribute
since I can't really code.

On 6/27/07, Matthew Woehlke <mw_triad@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> Robert Pendell wrote:
> > Oh I hope that it works out well.  This will help with making
> > more applications cross-platform.  I can see it now... KDE
> > for windows -- running natively as the system shell and not
> > via cygwin.
>
> Um... have you been paying *any* attention to KDE4 development? KDE 4.1
> is planned to be available as native Windows programs :-).
>
> If you're interested in KDE on Windows, you should come help out; we
> desperately need Windows developers (I am not one ;-), I only do Linux).
>
> --
> Matthew
> "Please remain calm... I may be mad, but I am a professional."
>    -- Mad Scientist
>
>


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Re: Sounds interesting

[Christopher Faylor]

On Thu, Jun 28, 2007 at 09:16:00PM -0400, Robert Pendell wrote:
>Well I have been out of the linux loop for a while so I was unaware
>that KDE had already planned on making a native windows version.  It
>would be nice because then I can finally get a good reason to get rid
>of explorer on my laptop.  Unfortunately I won't be able to contribute
>since I can't really code.

I wish this discussion would code.

cgf

RE: Sounds interesting

[Gary R. Van Sickle]

> Andrew Louie
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:22 AM
> To: The Cygwin-Talk Maiming List
> Subject: Re: Sounds interesting
> 
> On 6/27/07, Dave Korn  wrote:
> >   Nah, he means it.  Windows 200(BC) ran on most contemporary 
> > abacuses, although many had to have more beads and thicker wires 
> > installed to handle the heavy system load it imposed.  Known to the 
> > Romans as "Windows CC", it was the first operating system 
> to allow you 
> > to send a message to several citizens at once (by 
> dispatching a bunch 
> > of slaves in parallel), and to this day we still refer to a 
> secondary destination for an email in a "CC" line.
> 
> Actually the key difference between windows 200 and other 
> modern abacuses at the time, was that windows 200 required an 
> extra bead for line breaks,

...called a "line bead"...

> which lead to many headaches for 
> abacuses users trying get their windows 200 programs to run 
> on more modern abacuses.
> 
> 
> --
> -Andrew Louie

-- 
Gary R. Van Sickle
 

Re: Sounds interesting

[Igor Peshansky]

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007, Christopher Faylor wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 28, 2007 at 07:30:25PM +0200, Saro Engels wrote:
> > Matthew Woehlke schrieb:
> >> Saro Engels wrote:
> >>> And is there any possibility to integrate KDE-apps a bit tighter into
> >>> cygwin? I am thinking of trying to build some cygwin packages.
> >
> > That was just wrong what I wrote:
> > As far as I can see (cf.
> > http://www.kdelibs.com/wiki/index.php/Building_KDElibs_4_using_MinGW_with_Qt_4.3)
> > cygwin provides most of the build environment for building KDE apps,
> > as well as packaging, distribution and installation. There is not such
> > a thing neither in the new KDE-apps nor in the existing ports for gtk+
> > etc. What I thought of was using cygwin packages to provide packaging
> > for windows apps - like having a subdirectory in the setup list with
> > native apps packaged and installing like ordinary cygwin-packages.
> > That would perhaps mean to extend cygwins setup to a complete package
> > manager, which is still missing imo.
>
> But, then, setup.exe was only designed to be a dessert topping so we are
> very lucky that it does anything non-culinary at all.

Can someone *please* add a kitchen sink[*] to setup.exe?
	Igor
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