From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20324 invoked by alias); 15 Aug 2006 15:48:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 20183 invoked by uid 22791); 15 Aug 2006 15:47:52 -0000 X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Received: from main.gmane.org (HELO ciao.gmane.org) (80.91.229.2) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.31) with ESMTP; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:47:46 +0000 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GD18e-0005pt-D6 for cygwin-talk@cygwin.com; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:47:32 +0200 Received: from 65.207.213.226 ([65.207.213.226]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:47:32 +0200 Received: from mwoehlke by 65.207.213.226 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:47:32 +0200 To: cygwin-talk@cygwin.com From: mwoehlke Subject: Re: Rsync over ssh (pulling from Cygwin to Linux) stalls.. Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:48:00 -0000 Message-ID: References: <009901c6bffe$1a3e0b70$a501a8c0@CAM.ARTIMI.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.5) Gecko/20060719 Thunderbird/1.5.0.5 Mnenhy/0.7.4.0 In-Reply-To: <009901c6bffe$1a3e0b70$a501a8c0@CAM.ARTIMI.COM> X-IsSubscribed: yes Mailing-List: contact cygwin-talk-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-talk-owner@cygwin.com Reply-To: The Cygwin-Talk Maiming List X-SW-Source: 2006-q3/txt/msg00175.txt.bz2 Dave Korn wrote: > On 14 August 2006 20:48, mwoehlke wrote: >> Dave Korn wrote: >>> On 14 August 2006 18:41, mwoehlke wrote: >>>> Dave Korn wrote: >>>>> On 14 August 2006 17:04, mwoehlke wrote: >>>>>> My understanding is that if you place it in Public Domain, then anyone >>>>>> can do anything with it and no one can stop this. IOW RedHat would be >>>>>> safe because no one can prevent them from using Public Domain material >>>>>> in any manner or fashion. >>>>> That's not what "safe" means. If the program is in the public domain, >>>>> rather than RH having the copyright assigned to them, then anyone could >>>>> take it, make a proprietary version and distribute it without the >>>>> sources, and RH would not be in a legal position to enforce the GPL on >>>>> it because they would not be the copyright holder. >>>> And the problem with this would be what, exactly? "Safe" in that no one >>>> can take legal action against RH because of their use of it. >>> No, redhat is "safe" in /that/ sense automatically, because the code is >>> GPLd and so they and everyone else in the world can do what they like with >>> it, and nobody can stop them. The meaning of "safe" for redhat would be >>> "safe from anyone stealing it for proprietary use", because the code would >>> not be safe against that unless someone who can afford lawyers - such as >>> RH - holds the copyright. >> ...I think this is what Daryl is taking issue with: you are essentially >> *forcing* GPL onto someone. Not everyone agrees with that philosophy (in >> my case, it depends on my mood :-)). > > It's not forced onto anyone. Sure it is. "Use GPL, or you can't contribute to this software". It's very intentional coercion, and in all honesty the FSF has good reasons to do it, but that doesn't change the fact that it is a very high-handed approach. On further research, the FSF has already addressed this question: http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/index_html According to that, Daryl has every right to make his code public domain, or for that matter release it under any other GPL-compatible license. Checking http://cygwin.com/licensing.html, I see where that could be a problem (because RH offers a "commercial" license) for another OSS license, but that should not apply to public domain work for exactly the reasons *you* pointed out. So... are we just disagreeing over "safe", or are you actually telling me that RH (and thus Cygwin) would *refuse* to incorporate public domain code? The irony of course is that the availability of a commercial license makes it look like Daryl's fears are in fact very well founded. :-) -- Matthew Only Joe suffers from schizophrenia. The rest of us enjoy it.