GNU emacs fonts again

GNU emacs fonts again

[Marc Girod]

Hello,

My last cygwin upgrade changed the fonts used in GNU emacs.
This is:
xorg-server         1.6.3-1         OK
emacs                23.1-10        OK
cygwin               1.7.0-61       OK
font-alias            1.0.1-1        OK

Until now, I belive I was using:
font-bh-lucidatypewriter-dpi75 1.0.0-1        OK

I get now under emacs:

(list-fontsets)
Fontset: -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-default
Fontset: -*-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-16-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-standard
Fontset: -monotype-Courier
New-normal-normal-normal-*-12-*-*-*-*-0-fontset-startup

In fact, I might be happy with 'Courier New' (fixed fonts anyway!) if it
wasn't for one glitch:
the bold font is narrower than the normal one!?

In my emacs shell, the command is in bold once you have run it, but not
while you edit it.
It means that the command you edit doesn't align with the previous one which
failed,
and which you are just fixing.

Of the two widths, I prefer the narrower one (I find the width/height ratio
of the medium 
Courier New less readable).

So, may I align the widths?

Thanks,
Marc
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Re: GNU emacs fonts again

[Andy Koppe]

2009/9/30 Marc Girod:
>
> Hello,
>
> My last cygwin upgrade changed the fonts used in GNU emacs.
> This is:
> xorg-server         1.6.3-1         OK
> emacs                23.1-10        OK
> cygwin               1.7.0-61       OK
> font-alias            1.0.1-1        OK
>
> Until now, I belive I was using:
> font-bh-lucidatypewriter-dpi75 1.0.0-1        OK
>
> I get now under emacs:
>
> (list-fontsets)
> Fontset: -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-default
> Fontset: -*-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-16-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-standard
> Fontset: -monotype-Courier
> New-normal-normal-normal-*-12-*-*-*-*-0-fontset-startup

In case you want Lucida back:

http://cygwin.com/cgi-bin2/package-grep.cgi?grep=lucidatypewriter

Andy

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Re: GNU emacs fonts again

[Marc Girod]

Hi Andy,


Andy Koppe wrote:
> 
> In case you want Lucida back:
> 

Thanks, but no... This wasn't my question.
In fact, I do have the package installed and up to date.

Now, GNU emacs seemed to use it and doesn't anymore.
I didn't change my settings.

But, I liked the Lucida Sans Typewriter font on some unix in the past.
It doesn't look at all so nice on my Vista box under cygwin.
Different screen probably.

Besides, there used to be some issues with the completeness of the full
set...
Support for some characters in some combinations... bold italic...
Or just some non-standard naming that made some transitions fail... italic
that was named oblique...
I don't remember.

I am not sure it affected me anymore lately.
It did in the past when I used to run the w3 emacs browser.

The point is that I lack a wider perspective to know what it the optimal
solution,
and thus to make a precise question.
So far, it seems like how to tell emacs to get its default font narrower?
How come is the medium Courier wider than the bold one?
Isn't this an error?

I can start emacs with:

/usr/bin/emacs -fn lucidasanstypewriter-10

This however:
- gives a setup in which the system font is unreadable (blocks).
  I know there must be an FAQ about that...
- it doesn't look especially good (thick 'i's and '-'s)

The list-fontsets function gives:
Fontset: -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-default
Fontset: -*-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-16-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-standard
Fontset:
-b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-normal-sans-14-*-100-100-m-80-fontset-startup

BTW... lucidasanstypewriter-8 seems to find equivalents for the system.
It is not nicer looking though.

Fontset: -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-default
Fontset: -*-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-16-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-standard
Fontset:
-b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-normal-sans-11-*-100-100-m-70-fontset-startup

Marc

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Re: GNU emacs fonts again

[Ken Brown]

On 9/30/2009 8:55 AM, Marc Girod wrote:
> The list-fontsets function gives:
> Fontset: -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-default
> Fontset: -*-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-16-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-standard
> Fontset:
> -b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-normal-sans-14-*-100-100-m-80-fontset-startup

For me list-fontsets gives
Fontset: -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-default
Fontset: -*-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-16-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-standard
Fontset: -bitstream-Bitstream Vera Sans 
Mono-normal-normal-normal-*-12-*-*-*-m-0-fontset-startup

I have nothing in my .Xdefaults or .emacs related to fonts, and I don't 
specify a font on the command line; so I think emacs is selecting 
Bitstream Vera Sans Mono by default.  It looks good to me.

Ken

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Re: GNU emacs fonts again

[Marc Girod]

Thanks Ken,


Ken Brown-6 wrote:
> 
> I think emacs is selecting Bitstream Vera Sans Mono by default.  It looks
> good to me.
> 

I had to install it, but indeed, emacs picked it.
There must be some preference order.
This is what must have changed recently as somebody else decided
that Lucida Sans was not looking so good; and preferred to use
Courier New instead if found.
But, when found, Bitstream Vera preempts this choice...

It looks good to me too.

Marc
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Re: GNU emacs fonts again

[Jon TURNEY]

On 30/09/2009 12:04, Marc Girod wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> My last cygwin upgrade changed the fonts used in GNU emacs.
> This is:
> xorg-server         1.6.3-1         OK
> emacs                23.1-10        OK
> cygwin               1.7.0-61       OK
> font-alias            1.0.1-1        OK

A big change with emacs 23 is that it now uses Fontconfig and Xft for font 
rendering.  All other things being equal this should improve things, allowing 
anti-aliasing etc.

> Until now, I belive I was using:
> font-bh-lucidatypewriter-dpi75 1.0.0-1        OK
>
> I get now under emacs:
>
> (list-fontsets)
> Fontset: -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-default
> Fontset: -*-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-16-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-standard
> Fontset: -monotype-Courier
> New-normal-normal-normal-*-12-*-*-*-*-0-fontset-startup

I'm not sure where monotype-Courier New font is coming from, I don't think 
it's one of the fonts we provide.  However, I believe the latest fontconfig 
package had a tweak by Yaakov to allow it to find the fonts in the Windows 
fonts directory as well.

How emacs selects it's default font is a mystery to me.

> In fact, I might be happy with 'Courier New' (fixed fonts anyway!) if it
> wasn't for one glitch:
> the bold font is narrower than the normal one!?
>
> In my emacs shell, the command is in bold once you have run it, but not
> while you edit it.
> It means that the command you edit doesn't align with the previous one which
> failed,
> and which you are just fixing.
>
> Of the two widths, I prefer the narrower one (I find the width/height ratio
> of the medium
> Courier New less readable).
>
> So, may I align the widths?
>
> Thanks,
> Marc

Perhaps try 'emacs -fn "bitstream vera sans mono"'

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