Cut-Copy/Paste dies after several hours (-clipboard)

Cut-Copy/Paste dies after several hours (-clipboard)

[Jay Smith]

Hi again,

1) Is this a known problem?  Any suggestions?

    I thought I was going nuts, but it has happened enough times that I am 
sure it is really happening.  My usual workday is about 14 hours.  After 
around 9-11 hours, the "-clipboard" cut-copy/paste between Windows and 
Linux stops functioning.  It seems that it no longer puts the highlighted 
content into to the/a paste buffer.

    I have not been able to determine if this is simply "happening by 
itself" of if some event is occuring.  However, if I accidenally leave my X 
sessions up overnight, the cut-copy/paste rarely still works in the morning 
even though it may have worked when I left the night before.

    My Windows machine is Windows 95b.

    The Linux server on which the X applications are running is Red Hat 8, 
up2date with most recent updates.

    I have not been able to find instructions on Cygwin.com how to get a 
list of installed Cygwin/XFree version numbers.  (Advice?)  However, I 
installed everything freshly on 18 October 2003 if that helps.

    I am using the -clipboard option.  I am not sure why I am not using 
xwinclip -- there was something that did not work at some point.

2) In case anybody is inspired to work on it, I still have the problem that 
if I don't get logged in to the XDM "instantly", the cut-copy/paste does 
not function.  I have mentioned this earlier and Harold said that he is 
otherwise occupied.  I don't have the technical ability to do anything 
about it.

    When I say instantly, I mean that I have to absolutely type my name and 
password as fast as I possibly can -- and I am a very fast typist -- and 
about half the time, that is fast enough.  If I am too slow, the 
cut-copy/paste does not work.

    Also, if the startup time of Xwin is too slow (i.e. first time run 
after PC is rebooted), then I rarely have a chance of cut-copy/paste 
working.  Because of Win95 graphics resource issues, I have to reboot my 
machine every morning -- that means I have to log in to the XDM at least 
twice to get cut-copy/paste working.

    There is a particular "click" the hard disk makes (of the many that 
occur as programs are starting up) when this particular program is 
starting.  I know 100% of the time that if the "click" happens before the 
login process is far enough along that the cut-copy-paste will not work.

    By the way, this also means if the Linux server is under heavy load and 
responding slowly at that moment that I am out of luck and will have to try 
again until things are fast enough getting logged in and up before 
cut-copy/paste will work.

Jay

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Re: Cut-Copy/Paste dies after several hours (-clipboard)

[Harold L Hunt II]

xwinclip was updated on October 30th:

http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree-announce/2003-10/msg00028.html

Using the integrated -clipboard support prevents you from restarting the 
clipboard support if/when it dies.  I would recommend using xwinclip in 
your case since you can restart it when it dies.  It also might not die 
at all... since the external executable seems slightly more stable than 
the internal client running in a thread.

You could also use the stand-alone xwinclip to delay the start of 
xwinclip until after you are logged into XDMCP.  Kensuke backported the 
update to -clipboard to xwinclip... that is what the xwinclip-1.2.0-1 
package was for.  Note: XFree86-xwinclip is a dead package.  It was 
renamed to just "xwinclip".

Hope that helps,

Harold

Jay Smith wrote:

> Hi again,
> 
> 1) Is this a known problem?  Any suggestions?
> 
>    I thought I was going nuts, but it has happened enough times that I 
> am sure it is really happening.  My usual workday is about 14 hours.  
> After around 9-11 hours, the "-clipboard" cut-copy/paste between Windows 
> and Linux stops functioning.  It seems that it no longer puts the 
> highlighted content into to the/a paste buffer.
> 
>    I have not been able to determine if this is simply "happening by 
> itself" of if some event is occuring.  However, if I accidenally leave 
> my X sessions up overnight, the cut-copy/paste rarely still works in the 
> morning even though it may have worked when I left the night before.
> 
>    My Windows machine is Windows 95b.
> 
>    The Linux server on which the X applications are running is Red Hat 
> 8, up2date with most recent updates.
> 
>    I have not been able to find instructions on Cygwin.com how to get a 
> list of installed Cygwin/XFree version numbers.  (Advice?)  However, I 
> installed everything freshly on 18 October 2003 if that helps.
> 
>    I am using the -clipboard option.  I am not sure why I am not using 
> xwinclip -- there was something that did not work at some point.
> 
> 2) In case anybody is inspired to work on it, I still have the problem 
> that if I don't get logged in to the XDM "instantly", the cut-copy/paste 
> does not function.  I have mentioned this earlier and Harold said that 
> he is otherwise occupied.  I don't have the technical ability to do 
> anything about it.
> 
>    When I say instantly, I mean that I have to absolutely type my name 
> and password as fast as I possibly can -- and I am a very fast typist -- 
> and about half the time, that is fast enough.  If I am too slow, the 
> cut-copy/paste does not work.
> 
>    Also, if the startup time of Xwin is too slow (i.e. first time run 
> after PC is rebooted), then I rarely have a chance of cut-copy/paste 
> working.  Because of Win95 graphics resource issues, I have to reboot my 
> machine every morning -- that means I have to log in to the XDM at least 
> twice to get cut-copy/paste working.
> 
>    There is a particular "click" the hard disk makes (of the many that 
> occur as programs are starting up) when this particular program is 
> starting.  I know 100% of the time that if the "click" happens before 
> the login process is far enough along that the cut-copy-paste will not 
> work.
> 
>    By the way, this also means if the Linux server is under heavy load 
> and responding slowly at that moment that I am out of luck and will have 
> to try again until things are fast enough getting logged in and up 
> before cut-copy/paste will work.
> 
> Jay
> 

xwinclip installation problems (Re: Cut-Copy/Paste dies after several hours (-clipboard))

[Jay Smith]

Harold,

Maybe I am just being stupid, but I can't seem to find the clipboard 
program, because....

a) Using the Cygwin setup wizard to attempt to update my installation, I 
checked a couple mirrors and they don't seem to have xwinclip -- they only 
seem to have XFree86-xwinclip.

b) I went to the XFree86 web site and then the xwinclip site 
http://xfree86.cygwin.com/devel/xwinclip/
Obviously that page is long out of date so I don't know if I can trust 
anything it says about installation.  At this point I don' know how to get 
the program to install it.

c) Using your
http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree-announce/2003-10/msg00028.html
information, I am supposed to use the Cygwin installation wizard, but as I 
said in "a" above, I am not finding the program.

What am I missing?

Jay

Harold L Hunt II said the following on 11/18/2003 11:34 PM:
> xwinclip was updated on October 30th:
> 
> http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree-announce/2003-10/msg00028.html
> 
> Using the integrated -clipboard support prevents you from restarting the 
> clipboard support if/when it dies.  I would recommend using xwinclip in 
> your case since you can restart it when it dies.  It also might not die 
> at all... since the external executable seems slightly more stable than 
> the internal client running in a thread.
> 
> You could also use the stand-alone xwinclip to delay the start of 
> xwinclip until after you are logged into XDMCP.  Kensuke backported the 
> update to -clipboard to xwinclip... that is what the xwinclip-1.2.0-1 
> package was for.  Note: XFree86-xwinclip is a dead package.  It was 
> renamed to just "xwinclip".
> 
> Hope that helps,
> 
> Harold
> 
> Jay Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hi again,
>>
>> 1) Is this a known problem?  Any suggestions?
>>
>>    I thought I was going nuts, but it has happened enough times that I 
>> am sure it is really happening.  My usual workday is about 14 hours.  
>> After around 9-11 hours, the "-clipboard" cut-copy/paste between 
>> Windows and Linux stops functioning.  It seems that it no longer puts 
>> the highlighted content into to the/a paste buffer.
>>
>>    I have not been able to determine if this is simply "happening by 
>> itself" of if some event is occuring.  However, if I accidenally leave 
>> my X sessions up overnight, the cut-copy/paste rarely still works in 
>> the morning even though it may have worked when I left the night before.
>>
>>    My Windows machine is Windows 95b.
>>
>>    The Linux server on which the X applications are running is Red Hat 
>> 8, up2date with most recent updates.
>>
>>    I have not been able to find instructions on Cygwin.com how to get 
>> a list of installed Cygwin/XFree version numbers.  (Advice?)  However, 
>> I installed everything freshly on 18 October 2003 if that helps.
>>
>>    I am using the -clipboard option.  I am not sure why I am not using 
>> xwinclip -- there was something that did not work at some point.
>>
>> 2) In case anybody is inspired to work on it, I still have the problem 
>> that if I don't get logged in to the XDM "instantly", the 
>> cut-copy/paste does not function.  I have mentioned this earlier and 
>> Harold said that he is otherwise occupied.  I don't have the technical 
>> ability to do anything about it.
>>
>>    When I say instantly, I mean that I have to absolutely type my name 
>> and password as fast as I possibly can -- and I am a very fast typist 
>> -- and about half the time, that is fast enough.  If I am too slow, 
>> the cut-copy/paste does not work.
>>
>>    Also, if the startup time of Xwin is too slow (i.e. first time run 
>> after PC is rebooted), then I rarely have a chance of cut-copy/paste 
>> working.  Because of Win95 graphics resource issues, I have to reboot 
>> my machine every morning -- that means I have to log in to the XDM at 
>> least twice to get cut-copy/paste working.
>>
>>    There is a particular "click" the hard disk makes (of the many that 
>> occur as programs are starting up) when this particular program is 
>> starting.  I know 100% of the time that if the "click" happens before 
>> the login process is far enough along that the cut-copy-paste will not 
>> work.
>>
>>    By the way, this also means if the Linux server is under heavy load 
>> and responding slowly at that moment that I am out of luck and will 
>> have to try again until things are fast enough getting logged in and 
>> up before cut-copy/paste will work.
>>
>> Jay
>>

-- 
Jay Smith

e-mail: Jay@JaySmith.com  mailto:Jay@JaySmith.com
website: http://www.JaySmith.com

Jay Smith & Associates
P.O. Box 650
Snow Camp, NC  27349  USA

Phone: Int+US+336-376-9991
Toll-Free Phone in US & Canada:
	1-800-447-8267
Fax: Int+US+336-376-6750

Re: xwinclip installation problems (Re: Cut-Copy/Paste dies after several hours (-clipboard))

[Harold L Hunt II]

Jay,

Jay Smith wrote:

> Harold,
> 
> Maybe I am just being stupid, but I can't seem to find the clipboard 
> program, because....
> 
> a) Using the Cygwin setup wizard to attempt to update my installation, I 
> checked a couple mirrors and they don't seem to have xwinclip -- they 
> only seem to have XFree86-xwinclip.

It's on mirrors.rcn.net.  Just confirmed and downloaded it.

> b) I went to the XFree86 web site and then the xwinclip site 
> http://xfree86.cygwin.com/devel/xwinclip/
> Obviously that page is long out of date so I don't know if I can trust 
> anything it says about installation.  At this point I don' know how to 
> get the program to install it.

That development page is out of date because the distribution method 
changed to finally use setup.exe.  I will update it at some point, but 
it isn't very important at this time.

> c) Using your
> http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree-announce/2003-10/msg00028.html
> information, I am supposed to use the Cygwin installation wizard, but as 
> I said in "a" above, I am not finding the program.
> 
> What am I missing?

Dunno.  You are choosing "Install from Internet", right?  The package is 
there... in the XFree86 category.  Make sure you are looking below the 
XFree86-* packages.

Harold

Re: Cut-Copy/Paste dies after several hours (-clipboard)

[Holger Krull]

Jay Smith schrieb:

>    I am using the -clipboard option.  I am not sure why I am not using 
> xwinclip -- there was something that did not work at some point.

I'm using xwinclip and it's stops sometimes too. In most cases a restart 
will help.
I'm starting it with xwinclip --display 127.0.0.1:0.0 from bash.
and xwin needs -ac as an option though i don't understand why.


> 2) In case anybody is inspired to work on it, I still have the problem 
> that if I don't get logged in to the XDM "instantly", the cut-copy/paste 

Now i understand why i never got -clipboard to work.


    Holger Krull