From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12897 invoked by alias); 3 Jan 2015 23:02:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact cygwin-xfree-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-xfree-owner@cygwin.com Reply-To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com Received: (qmail 12881 invoked by uid 89); 3 Jan 2015 23:02:29 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-HELO: vms173023pub.verizon.net Received: from vms173023pub.verizon.net (HELO vms173023pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.23) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.93/v0.84-503-g423c35a) with (AES128-SHA encrypted) ESMTPS; Sat, 03 Jan 2015 23:02:28 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.230] ([100.0.38.27]) by vms173023.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTPA id <0NHM00IQNINL3M71@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> for cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com; Sat, 03 Jan 2015 17:02:14 -0600 (CST) X-CMAE-Score: 0 X-CMAE-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=CoYIqc8G c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=toTMxtHQF+05ooui8kuJQw==:117 a=vP6ySPhpAh4A:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=w_pzkKWiAAAA:8 a=oR5dmqMzAAAA:8 a=-9mUelKeXuEA:10 a=YNv0rlydsVwA:10 a=R3nMhVSiDnp95iSB-zEA:9 a=ulMcJF3vJSk75lmW:21 a=urtxPkvLCUAmIYsc:21 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 Message-id: <54A874F1.8000203@cygwin.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 23:02:00 -0000 From: "Larry Hall (Cygwin-X)" Reply-to: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-version: 1.0 To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com Subject: Re: run.exe will not work with upgrade from 1.14.4 to 1.16.3 References: <54A6FDB8.9070106@blankersfamily.com> <54A766A7.7020609@cygwin.com> <54A7A26E.7090801@blankersfamily.com> In-reply-to: <54A7A26E.7090801@blankersfamily.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-SW-Source: 2015-01/txt/msg00006.txt.bz2 On 01/03/2015 03:03 AM, Laurens Blankers wrote: > On 3-1-2015 04:48, Larry Hall (Cygwin-X) wrote: >> But the functionality in the latest release of the xinit corrects some >> long-standing Cygwin incompatibilities with startx, so there's >> no benefit to turning back as a strategy. > This is exactly why I have such hard time convincing people that using > open source software is a good idea: "The solution is technically > better, so if it breaks for you I don't care." Interesting that you should gather that from my comments, since I never said I don't care nor do I believe that the maintainer doesn't care. Seems to me like you're attributing perceptions you've gathered from other people and interactions in your life to me. Please don't do that. My point, which I will reiterate again because I think it received overtones I wasn't conveying the first time, is that the changes made are indeed needed and beneficial in general. You can find evidence of this in the email archives. Removing the newly introduced changes means these other folks that expect Cygwin's X to work like it does on Linux and other platforms will continue to be surprised, etc. The fact that the recent changes interfere with previous usage is an issue that needs attention for sure but reverting, while the maintainer's call, just trades misbehaviour in the eyes of one group for that of the other. And the individual is always free to revert the package version in the short-term to address any immediate need. So with the short-term bases covered, it makes sense to move forward by looking and going forward. I encourage those that want to smooth the transition to help by trying the solutions so far and offering feedback on what works well and what doesn't. This is the way we can reach a solution that addresses the concerns of both groups. > The best, and actually only way to move forward is to revert back to the > behaviour of 1.3.2-1 and rethink this whole approach. Once a good > transition plan is in place the changes can be reapplied. But it is > obvious that I won't find a sympathetic ear to the plight of the user > here, so I will escalate this to the main Cygwin mailing list. Hopefully > people their actually care about user experience. I think your point has been heard. There's no need to take it to another Cygwin list or reiterate it here. Since the issue is related to the changes in the xinit package and this is the list for X issues, you have the right forum if you want to help work towards a smoother transition for existing users with the xinit package. The Cygwin main list is really for everything but X. Talking about X things there will likely get you redirected back to this list. -- Larry _____________________________________________________________________ A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/