From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31906 invoked by alias); 4 Jan 2015 11:41:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact cygwin-xfree-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-xfree-owner@cygwin.com Reply-To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com Received: (qmail 31895 invoked by uid 89); 4 Jan 2015 11:41:51 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_PASS,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-HELO: selene.blankersfamily.com Received: from 87-161.ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl (HELO selene.blankersfamily.com) (88.159.161.87) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.93/v0.84-503-g423c35a) with ESMTP; Sun, 04 Jan 2015 11:41:50 +0000 Received: from gaia.blankersfamily.com (gaia.blankersfamily.com [172.30.0.103]) by selene.blankersfamily.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E04A11C for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2015 12:41:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from unknown (Authenticated sender: laurens@blankersfamily.com) by gaia.blankersfamily.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 80082124 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2015 12:41:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <54A926F9.4090902@blankersfamily.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2015 11:41:00 -0000 From: Laurens Blankers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com Subject: Re: run.exe will not work with upgrade from 1.14.4 to 1.16.3 References: <54A6FDB8.9070106@blankersfamily.com> <54A766A7.7020609@cygwin.com> <54A7A26E.7090801@blankersfamily.com> <54A874F1.8000203@cygwin.com> In-Reply-To: <54A874F1.8000203@cygwin.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-IsSubscribed: yes X-SW-Source: 2015-01/txt/msg00007.txt.bz2 On 2015-01-04 00:02, Larry Hall (Cygwin-X) wrote: > The fact that the recent > changes interfere with previous usage is an issue that needs attention > for > sure but reverting, while the maintainer's call, just trades misbehaviour > in the eyes of one group for that of the other. That may be true, but you are prioritizing new users over your existing user base here. There are many many users out there for which the behaviour as exhibited by 1.3.2-1 has worked for many years. Behaviour which is now broken, without even the slightest hint of what is going on! And without a way to get all the functionality back, even with changes! > I encourage those that want > to smooth the transition to help by trying the solutions so far and > offering feedback on what works well and what doesn't. This is the > way we > can reach a solution that addresses the concerns of both groups. I would like to help smoothing the transition, however not by forcing changes down peoples throats and then saying may be when can make this better some time in the future. If you want my help, do the right thing, acknowledge that the way of handling this was wrong. Revert the changes. And solicit the help of the people on this mailing list to come up with a well designed, well tested, and well documented solution. > I think your point has been heard. There's no need to take it to another > Cygwin list or reiterate it here. I don't think so. You maintain that the approach chosen was the right one. I think the saying in English is "It Takes a Real Man to Admit when He's Wrong". I am sorry, I can't help you if you keep maintaining nothing went wrong. Laurens -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/