From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18559 invoked by alias); 16 Jul 2010 22:08:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 18541 invoked by uid 22791); 16 Jul 2010 22:08:22 -0000 X-SWARE-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Received: from mail-vw0-f43.google.com (HELO mail-vw0-f43.google.com) (209.85.212.43) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.43rc1) with ESMTP; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 22:08:18 +0000 Received: by vws4 with SMTP id 4so3848401vws.2 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 15:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.158.9 with SMTP id d9mr883529vcx.250.1279318096118; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 15:08:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.71.69 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 15:07:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4C40638C.10208@dronecode.org.uk> <20100716160022.GA30933@ednor.casa.cgf.cx> <20100716211902.GA32291@ednor.casa.cgf.cx> From: "DePriest, Jason R." Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 22:08:00 -0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Resizing problem To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-IsSubscribed: yes Mailing-List: contact cygwin-xfree-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-xfree-owner@cygwin.com Reply-To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com X-SW-Source: 2010-07/txt/msg00058.txt.bz2 On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Olwe Melwasul <> wrote: > I'd say offer tutorials and guides that include "known issues". This > is very common in other OS projects. Do some hand-holding on-line. > Don't patronize people. And no, man pages are not suited for newbies > as guides or tutorials. They're for pros who know what they're doing. I frequently learn almost everything I need to know about an application by using its man pages as well as its info doc if it has it. One of the finest moments in my introduction to *nix was when I discovered I could learn about any command by simply typing 'man '. I'd love it if Windows had a similar feature. Not to be patronizing, but by definition, if someone knows what they are doing, they won't check out a man page anyway. If you want to know about "Cygwin" try the Cygwin User's Guide http://cygwin.com/cygwin-ug-net/cygwin-ug-net.html. It has plain English explanations about how Cygwin works. There is also the FAQ http://cygwin.com/faq.html which may answer some of the whys or why nots that the UG skims over. I read the UG and FAQ a few times a month and I always find what I am looking for or learn something new. If you want to get deep into Cygwin's past, I'd suggest doing a custom Google search with 'site:cygwin.com/ml/cygwin' to search strictly the mailing list archives. Finally, if you *do* happen to find any tutorials about how to do things with Cygwin and they aren't on the cygwin.com website, they are probably outdated and are definitely not supported by the Cygwin core team. For example, I know there are several old tutorials on getting ssh to work with Cygwin. They are wrong. Oh, Cygwin specific bits of trivia about installed packages can be found in /usr/share/doc/Cygwin. Again, don't dis' the man page. Try 'man bash' or 'man grep' for examples of excellent man pages with examples and detailed explanations. If you have it installed, try 'man nmap'; the source of the man page is the same source used to build the online documentation. 'man' is one of the most useful commands there is. Please don't discount it as some esoteric, propeller head gizmo. -Jason -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/