Setup.exe = ARRRGHGHGH @#$##@ stuborn program

Setup.exe = ARRRGHGHGH @#$##@ stuborn program

[Joe (theWordy) Philbrook]

Hi I just started the process of subscribing to the digest version of
this list. { but have yet to download the message the web page said I
gotta reply to to actually start getting the digest...}

So I don't know if I'll get any [in-list] replies to this or not

I'm not a "computer pro" but I'm more comfortable with cli than ANY
flavor of point n' click. So the idea of being able to add a functional
bash with user friendly editors like vim to the win95 side of my dual
boot win/linux box sounded wonderful.

So yesterday I downloaded cygwin's setup.exe [having nearly a gig of
room on my E: drive I elected to download the whole thing.]

Aggravation number 1)
there didn't seam to be any way to select/deselect packages with the
keyboard and after all that clicking with a mouse my hand starts going
numb... first mirror I tried couldn't download, so I tried another and
had to select them all again [sigh]

Aggravation number 2)
But since the download only moves about 2 to 3 K per sec [is normal?]
my hand had plenty of time to recover...

Then I simply had to go to bed, I let the download continue, it was
still downloading at 4am this morning when I had to get up to answer a
call of nature. But when I got up at 6am it had stalled about 3/4 of the
way through. Oh well I thought, I'll just finnish downloading tonight, I
thought.

Aggravation number 3) [the main problem]
Unfortunately it keeps on insisting on starting over with autoconfig and
continuing on down the original download list for which I'm quite happy
with the tar.gz files with yesterdays date. 

But I can't seam to find any way to convince setup.exe to only download
the packages I select in the current session, and frankly I don't have
the time to simply let it download the whole thing again...

What do I have to do to get setup.exe to stop using the old download
list????

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Re: Setup.exe = ARRRGHGHGH @#$##@ stuborn program

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 08:13:28PM -0400, Joe (theWordy) Philbrook wrote:
> Hi I just started the process of subscribing to the digest version of
> this list. { but have yet to download the message the web page said I
> gotta reply to to actually start getting the digest...}
> 
> So I don't know if I'll get any [in-list] replies to this or not
> 
> I'm not a "computer pro" but I'm more comfortable with cli than ANY
> flavor of point n' click. So the idea of being able to add a functional
> bash with user friendly editors like vim to the win95 side of my dual
> boot win/linux box sounded wonderful.
> 
> So yesterday I downloaded cygwin's setup.exe [having nearly a gig of
> room on my E: drive I elected to download the whole thing.]
> 
> Aggravation number 1)
> there didn't seam to be any way to select/deselect packages with the
> keyboard and after all that clicking with a mouse my hand starts going
> numb... first mirror I tried couldn't download, so I tried another and
> had to select them all again [sigh]

If you selected all packages by hand you probably clicked in
all the checkboxes. These checkboxes are _not_ to select a
binary package but just to select if you want to download the
sources of that package as well.  Did you notice the headline
right above the checkboxes? "Src?"

> Aggravation number 2)
> But since the download only moves about 2 to 3 K per sec [is normal?]

You've choosen a slow mirror for some reason. Bad luck.

> But I can't seam to find any way to convince setup.exe to only download
> the packages I select in the current session, and frankly I don't have
> the time to simply let it download the whole thing again...

Try clicking on the package version with the headline "New". It changes
state between the available versions and "Skip" (and if you've already
installed that package, "Keep", "Uninstall", "Reinstall").

> What do I have to do to get setup.exe to stop using the old download
> list????

In theory it shouldn't.  If a package archive has already been
downloaded and is still in the local package directory it's not
downloaded again.

However, use setup again w/o downloading the source packages.
It should be way faster. And use another mirror.

Corinna

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Re: Setup.exe = ARRRGHGHGH @#$##@ stuborn program

[Gerrit P. Haase]

Joe (theWordy) Philbrook schrieb am 2001-09-05, 20:13:

>So yesterday I downloaded cygwin's setup.exe [having nearly a gig of
>room on my E: drive I elected to download the whole thing.]
>
>Aggravation number 1)
>there didn't seam to be any way to select/deselect packages with the
>keyboard and after all that clicking with a mouse my hand starts going
>numb... first mirror I tried couldn't download, so I tried another and
>had to select them all again [sigh]

Per default, every package that is detected as NOT installed will be
loaded down (automagically). You need only to 'x' the checkboxes, if 
you like to retrieve the sources, too. I always thought that this is
obvious?

>Aggravation number 2)
>But since the download only moves about 2 to 3 K per sec [is normal?]
>my hand had plenty of time to recover...

No, my mirror is pretty fast.
It depends on your mirror and how fast it is.

>Then I simply had to go to bed, I let the download continue, it was
>still downloading at 4am this morning when I had to get up to answer a
>call of nature. But when I got up at 6am it had stalled about 3/4 of the
>way through. Oh well I thought, I'll just finnish downloading tonight, I
>thought.
>
>Aggravation number 3) [the main problem]
>Unfortunately it keeps on insisting on starting over with autoconfig and
>continuing on down the original download list for which I'm quite happy
>with the tar.gz files with yesterdays date. 
>
>But I can't seam to find any way to convince setup.exe to only download
>the packages I select in the current session, and frankly I don't have
>the time to simply let it download the whole thing again...

I one package (source, binary or both) once was downloaded, it will
not be downloaded again. It shows up in the setup window only if it is 
not yet installed, but gets not downloaded again.

>What do I have to do to get setup.exe to stop using the old download
>list????

Install the whole thing?

Gerrit


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Re: Setup.exe = ARRRGHGHGH @#$##@ stuborn program

[Tim Baker]

> Aggravation number 1)
> there didn't seam to be any way to select/deselect packages with the
> keyboard and after all that clicking with a mouse my hand starts going
> numb... first mirror I tried couldn't download, so I tried another and
> had to select them all again [sigh]
> 
> Aggravation number 2)
> But since the download only moves about 2 to 3 K per sec [is normal?]
> my hand had plenty of time to recover...


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Re: Setup.exe = ARRRGHGHGH @#$##@ stuborn program

[Joe (theWordy) Philbrook]

On Thu, 6 Sep 2001 "Gerrit P. Haase" <gp@familiehaase.de> wrote:
> 
> Per default, every package that is detected as NOT installed will be
> loaded down (automagically). You need only to 'x' the checkboxes, if 
> you like to retrieve the sources, too. I always thought that this is
> obvious?
> 

Not to me it wasn't. When I installed my [now old] slackware 3.5 linux
I marked packages I wanted, and unmarked those I didn't, THAT was obvious.

Ah, so the checkboxes are only for the source files... Good to know!

Thank You!

> 
> I one package (source, binary or both) once was downloaded, it will
> not be downloaded again. It shows up in the setup window only if it is 
> not yet installed, but gets not downloaded again.

That is the behavior I expected except I didn't know how to tell it to
skip packages. [clicking on the little icon on the left side allows that]

How ever, the packages I downloaded before the connection failed appeared
to be being downloaded again. [the tar.gz or { bz2 ?} files were in the
[source\contrib or source\latest] directories so I thought that since it
had been interrupted before it could complete it had failed to update some
internal list of instructions or some such... But it now occurs to me that 
just maybe the 2nd time through it may have been trying to give me a new
version. (were any of the packages just updated perhaps???)

> 
> >What do I have to do to get setup.exe to stop using the old download
> >list????
> 
> Install the whole thing?
> 

Didn't have enough room for that... But fortunately, the above mentioned
mouse intensive <sigh> technique of clicking on the little icon at the left
side of the package name allows me to skip the package.

How ever I now have a working bash, with vim & less so I'm happy enough to
wait till I learn more before I try to make it better ;)

Though I do have two problems.

vim :!command and less !command {as well as less [ v ] sending the file to
vim} all temporarily lock up while my windows trumpet dialer makes an
[sometime unsuccessful] attempt to log in to my ppp account. Which lock up
ends when:

 A) trumpet times out 
 
   or 
 
 B) I go kill trumpet [taskbar icon {close}]

And the other thing is trying to access the clipboard for copy paste
operations failed. Since bash is running in a dosbox windows wants me to
use those stupid mouse button controls, to enable mark then to copy marked
then to paste to cursor position... I wanted to use that to kill a locked
process I did a ps, clicked on mark and marked the pid, clicked on copy,
typed kill 15 [click on paste] but the paste failed... The button stayed
pushed in???  <sigh> Actually I was hoping I'd be able to use the cursor
keys to mark text, and keyboard shortcuts to copy and paste, But I can't
even get the click intensive method to paste to the $prompt <sigh> 

I expect these are known problems with win95, and that if there is a fix
it will be in some faq, which I might even find someday... In the mean
time, I'll have to live with it. unless someone on the list wants to give
me a clue???

In any case, thanks for the info Gerrit.

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