cygcheck

cygcheck

[George Hester]

I've installed the latest cygwin.  That seemed to go OK in Windows 2000 Server SP3.

I started cygwin from the desktop icon made during the install process.

I ran cygcheck -s

I find there are a few things "not found."

1) cpp (good!)
2) gcc
3) gdb
4) ld

What are these?  Why is cpp "Not found" "(good)"?  What does that mean?

I downloaded and installed all the options so why are some things "Not found"?  Can I "find" them somewhere?  Should I "find" them?  Thanks.

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Re: cygcheck

[Igor Pechtchanski]

George,

Please instruct your mailer to wrap long lines, otherwise it's very hard
to read the messages in the archives.  Thanks.  More below.

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004, George Hester wrote:

> I've installed the latest cygwin.  That seemed to go OK in Windows 2000
> Server SP3.
>
> I started cygwin from the desktop icon made during the install process.
>
> I ran cygcheck -s
>
> I find there are a few things "not found."
>
> 1) cpp (good!)
> 2) gcc
> 3) gdb
> 4) ld
>
> What are these?  Why is cpp "Not found" "(good)"?  What does that mean?
>
> I downloaded and installed all the options so why are some things "Not
> found"?  Can I "find" them somewhere?  Should I "find" them?  Thanks.

The cygcheck program in its "-s" mode (system information) was designed to
cram as much useful information about your Cygwin installation as possible
into its output, to help others in diagnosing and/or reproducing your
problems (and, hopefully, eventually fixing them).

The "installed programs" part of the output attempts to list some common
programs that people usually ask about.  This helps in situations where
some other version of gcc hides the Cygwin version, for example, and
people complain that gcc doesn't work.  The fact that the programs are or
aren't found on your system shouldn't bother you unless you need to use
one of them.  All four of the programs that you listed are development
tools to let you build and debug programs.

Frankly, I have no idea why "cpp not found" is "(good!)".  Perhaps it used
to be that the gcc package hid cpp in its special directory, and you
weren't supposed to invoke it directly, but rather by passing an option to
gcc.  AFAICS, the current package ships with that program, so perhaps that
note is outdated and should be removed.

Since these programs are in the official Cygwin packages, you, apparently,
haven't installed everything (which is what I read your "all the options"
to mean).  If you want to see exactly what you've installed and what's
available, run setup.exe and switch the view to "Full" (using the button
on the top right of the package selection page).  You will see information
about all the packages in the distribution.  I can't really tell you more
about your system, since you haven't attached the output of "cygcheck
-svr" as requested in <http://cygwin.com/problems.html>.

As for whether you *should* "find" them, that's entirely up to you.  If
you don't know what "gcc" is, likely you won't need it.  If you install a
package that requires it, hopefully that package will either pull it in or
complain the first time it tries to use it, at which point you'll know you
need to install it (and will be able to find it on the Cygwin package
search page at <http://cygwin.com/packages/>).  Until then, don't bother.

HTH,
	Igor
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Re: cygcheck

[George Hester]

Sorry about that.  Tell me if this is better.
Yes I could tell Cygwin under cygcheck -s was retrieving more information
then was in the download.  I did have it set to full.
So I don't know what more I could have gotten.
The result was as I showed.  So you think some of the items
I mentioned as Not Found should have been found choosing Full
in the Setup?  Hmmm....

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"Igor Pechtchanski" <pechtcha@cs.nyu.edu> wrote in message news:Pine.GSO.4.56.0402281123081.19703@slinky.cs.nyu.edu...
> George,
> 
> Please instruct your mailer to wrap long lines, otherwise it's very hard
> to read the messages in the archives.  Thanks.  More below.
> 
> On Sat, 28 Feb 2004, George Hester wrote:
> 
> > I've installed the latest cygwin.  That seemed to go OK in Windows 2000
> > Server SP3.
> >
> > I started cygwin from the desktop icon made during the install process.
> >
> > I ran cygcheck -s
> >
> > I find there are a few things "not found."
> >
> > 1) cpp (good!)
> > 2) gcc
> > 3) gdb
> > 4) ld
> >
> > What are these?  Why is cpp "Not found" "(good)"?  What does that mean?
> >
> > I downloaded and installed all the options so why are some things "Not
> > found"?  Can I "find" them somewhere?  Should I "find" them?  Thanks.
> 
> The cygcheck program in its "-s" mode (system information) was designed to
> cram as much useful information about your Cygwin installation as possible
> into its output, to help others in diagnosing and/or reproducing your
> problems (and, hopefully, eventually fixing them).
> 
> The "installed programs" part of the output attempts to list some common
> programs that people usually ask about.  This helps in situations where
> some other version of gcc hides the Cygwin version, for example, and
> people complain that gcc doesn't work.  The fact that the programs are or
> aren't found on your system shouldn't bother you unless you need to use
> one of them.  All four of the programs that you listed are development
> tools to let you build and debug programs.
> 
> Frankly, I have no idea why "cpp not found" is "(good!)".  Perhaps it used
> to be that the gcc package hid cpp in its special directory, and you
> weren't supposed to invoke it directly, but rather by passing an option to
> gcc.  AFAICS, the current package ships with that program, so perhaps that
> note is outdated and should be removed.
> 
> Since these programs are in the official Cygwin packages, you, apparently,
> haven't installed everything (which is what I read your "all the options"
> to mean).  If you want to see exactly what you've installed and what's
> available, run setup.exe and switch the view to "Full" (using the button
> on the top right of the package selection page).  You will see information
> about all the packages in the distribution.  I can't really tell you more
> about your system, since you haven't attached the output of "cygcheck
> -svr" as requested in <http://cygwin.com/problems.html>.
> 
> As for whether you *should* "find" them, that's entirely up to you.  If
> you don't know what "gcc" is, likely you won't need it.  If you install a
> package that requires it, hopefully that package will either pull it in or
> complain the first time it tries to use it, at which point you'll know you
> need to install it (and will be able to find it on the Cygwin package
> search page at <http://cygwin.com/packages/>).  Until then, don't bother.
> 
> HTH,
> Igor
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Re: cygcheck

[Gerrit P. Haase]

Hallo George,

Am Sonntag, 29. Februar 2004 um 10:33 schriebst du:

> Sorry about that.  Tell me if this is better.
> Yes I could tell Cygwin under cygcheck -s was retrieving more information
> then was in the download.  I did have it set to full.
> So I don't know what more I could have gotten.
> The result was as I showed.  So you think some of the items
> I mentioned as Not Found should have been found choosing Full
> in the Setup?  Hmmm....


If you don't need a compiler (gcc) then you probably also won't need
the linker (ld) or the debugger (gdb).


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Re: cygcheck

[Igor Pechtchanski]

George,

FYI, I had to jump through hoops to get the full message quoted.  Top
posting and signatures don't mix well, especially with mail clients that
recognize the "-- " sigdashes syntax: either change your signature to not
start with "-- ", or make sure your signature follows the quoted message,
rather than precedes it.

Also, please instruct your mailer to not quote raw e-mail addresses in
replies -- they're just fodder for spam harvesters.

More comments inline below.

On Sun, 29 Feb 2004, George Hester wrote:

> Sorry about that.  Tell me if this is better.

If you mean the linewrap, then thanks, yes, this is much better.  You
still didn't include any information about your system, though (i.e., the
output of "cygcheck -svr").

> Yes I could tell Cygwin under cygcheck -s was retrieving more information
> then was in the download.  I did have it set to full.
> So I don't know what more I could have gotten.
> The result was as I showed.  So you think some of the items
> I mentioned as Not Found should have been found choosing Full
> in the Setup?  Hmmm....
> --
> George Hester

Setting the *view* to "Full" doesn't actually select any packages - it
simply displays all the available ones.  If you want to actually *install*
everything, read <http://cygwin.com/faq/faq_2.html#SEC14>.

FWIW, in the "Full" view, all the packages marked "Skip" aren't installed
on your system, and you can select them individually.

HTH,
	Igor

> __________________________________
> "Igor Pechtchanski" <pechtcha<at>cs<dot>nyu<dot>edu> wrote:
> > George,
> >
> > Please instruct your mailer to wrap long lines, otherwise it's very hard
> > to read the messages in the archives.  Thanks.  More below.
> >
> > On Sat, 28 Feb 2004, George Hester wrote:
> >
> > > I've installed the latest cygwin.  That seemed to go OK in Windows 2000
> > > Server SP3.
> > >
> > > I started cygwin from the desktop icon made during the install process.
> > >
> > > I ran cygcheck -s
> > >
> > > I find there are a few things "not found."
> > >
> > > 1) cpp (good!)
> > > 2) gcc
> > > 3) gdb
> > > 4) ld
> > >
> > > What are these?  Why is cpp "Not found" "(good)"?  What does that mean?
> > >
> > > I downloaded and installed all the options so why are some things "Not
> > > found"?  Can I "find" them somewhere?  Should I "find" them?  Thanks.
> >
> > The cygcheck program in its "-s" mode (system information) was designed to
> > cram as much useful information about your Cygwin installation as possible
> > into its output, to help others in diagnosing and/or reproducing your
> > problems (and, hopefully, eventually fixing them).
> >
> > The "installed programs" part of the output attempts to list some common
> > programs that people usually ask about.  This helps in situations where
> > some other version of gcc hides the Cygwin version, for example, and
> > people complain that gcc doesn't work.  The fact that the programs are or
> > aren't found on your system shouldn't bother you unless you need to use
> > one of them.  All four of the programs that you listed are development
> > tools to let you build and debug programs.
> >
> > Frankly, I have no idea why "cpp not found" is "(good!)".  Perhaps it used
> > to be that the gcc package hid cpp in its special directory, and you
> > weren't supposed to invoke it directly, but rather by passing an option to
> > gcc.  AFAICS, the current package ships with that program, so perhaps that
> > note is outdated and should be removed.
> >
> > Since these programs are in the official Cygwin packages, you, apparently,
> > haven't installed everything (which is what I read your "all the options"
> > to mean).  If you want to see exactly what you've installed and what's
> > available, run setup.exe and switch the view to "Full" (using the button
> > on the top right of the package selection page).  You will see information
> > about all the packages in the distribution.  I can't really tell you more
> > about your system, since you haven't attached the output of "cygcheck
> > -svr" as requested in <http://cygwin.com/problems.html>.
> >
> > As for whether you *should* "find" them, that's entirely up to you.  If
> > you don't know what "gcc" is, likely you won't need it.  If you install a
> > package that requires it, hopefully that package will either pull it in or
> > complain the first time it tries to use it, at which point you'll know you
> > need to install it (and will be able to find it on the Cygwin package
> > search page at <http://cygwin.com/packages/>).  Until then, don't bother.
> >
> > HTH,
> > Igor

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Re: cygcheck

[George Hester]

Hi Igor.

Thanks for not browbeating me.  You would be amazed at the anathema "newbies" 
such as myself often generate.

I see all the "stuff" now.  I have to decide what I want.  I am concerned
that say if I get a C compiler and headers it could interfere with the one
I have.  Same thing with make.  Mine's called nmake so not sure.

Well I'm in no rush so I'll step lightly.  Thanks for your help.


George Hester
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"Igor Pechtchanski" wrote in message news:Pine.GSO.4.56.0402291812570.19703@slinky.cs.nyu.edu...
> George,
> 
> On Sun, 29 Feb 2004, George Hester wrote:
> 
> > Igor my mail client puts all the stuff in you mention by default.  I
> > don't usually manually remove things to make it "better" because it is
> > only in newsgroups that aren't Microsoft where this issue occurs.
> 
> Yes, Outlook is notoriously hard to configure properly.  However, I do
> believe people managed to do this (the signature is definitely
> configurable).  FYI, your posts actually go to a mailing list, so you're
> basically sending e-mail (through a portal called Gmane, which you may
> also be able to configure).  Frankly, I'm not sure what the last part of
> your sentense means (if you mean that users of Microsoft newsgroups don't
> care if their e-mail addresses get harvested by spammers, and that in most
> other newsgroups people are sensitive to this, then you're absolutely
> right -- almost nobody likes spam).
> 
> > Let me see what I can do...is that better?  Not sure if I should remove the
> > previous posts to help.
> >
> > [partial cygcheck -svr snipped]
> >
> > George Hester
> 
> The problem reporting guidelines at <http://cygwin.com/problems.html>
> which I initially referred you to request that the output of "cygcheck
> -svr" should be *attached* (as an uncompressed text attachment), rather
> than included inline, to avoid producing false positive hits in mailing
> list archive searches.  The recipe there also helps ensure that you
> include the full output of "cygcheck -svr", which you didn't, BTW.  It was
> enough for our purposes, though, as it confirmed my guesses: the list of
> packages shows that you only have the very basic set installed.  There are
> many more packages available -- you can see the full list of packages in
> the "Full" view of setup, or by visiting <http://cygwin.com/packages/>.
> 
> HTH,
> Igor
> 
> > __________________________________
> > "Igor Pechtchanski" wrote:
> > > George,
> > >
> > > FYI, I had to jump through hoops to get the full message quoted.  Top
> > > posting and signatures don't mix well, especially with mail clients that
> > > recognize the "-- " sigdashes syntax: either change your signature to not
> > > start with "-- ", or make sure your signature follows the quoted message,
> > > rather than precedes it.
> > >
> > > Also, please instruct your mailer to not quote raw e-mail addresses in
> > > replies -- they're just fodder for spam harvesters.
> > >
> > > More comments inline below.
> > >
> > > On Sun, 29 Feb 2004, George Hester wrote:
> > >
> > > > Sorry about that.  Tell me if this is better.
> > >
> > > If you mean the linewrap, then thanks, yes, this is much better.  You
> > > still didn't include any information about your system, though (i.e., the
> > > output of "cygcheck -svr").
> > >
> > > > Yes I could tell Cygwin under cygcheck -s was retrieving more information
> > > > then was in the download.  I did have it set to full.
> > > > So I don't know what more I could have gotten.
> > > > The result was as I showed.  So you think some of the items
> > > > I mentioned as Not Found should have been found choosing Full
> > > > in the Setup?  Hmmm....
> > > > --
> > > > George Hester
> > >
> > > Setting the *view* to "Full" doesn't actually select any packages - it
> > > simply displays all the available ones.  If you want to actually *install*
> > > everything, read <http://cygwin.com/faq/faq_2.html#SEC14>.
> > >
> > > FWIW, in the "Full" view, all the packages marked "Skip" aren't installed
> > > on your system, and you can select them individually.
> > >
> > > HTH,
> > > Igor
> > >
> > > > __________________________________
> > > > "Igor Pechtchanski" <pechtcha<at>cs<dot>nyu<dot>edu> wrote:
> > > > > George,
> > > > >
> > > > > Please instruct your mailer to wrap long lines, otherwise it's very hard
> > > > > to read the messages in the archives.  Thanks.  More below.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, 28 Feb 2004, George Hester wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I've installed the latest cygwin.  That seemed to go OK in Windows 2000
> > > > > > Server SP3.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I started cygwin from the desktop icon made during the install process.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I ran cygcheck -s
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I find there are a few things "not found."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1) cpp (good!)
> > > > > > 2) gcc
> > > > > > 3) gdb
> > > > > > 4) ld
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What are these?  Why is cpp "Not found" "(good)"?  What does that mean?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I downloaded and installed all the options so why are some things "Not
> > > > > > found"?  Can I "find" them somewhere?  Should I "find" them?  Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > > The cygcheck program in its "-s" mode (system information) was designed to
> > > > > cram as much useful information about your Cygwin installation as possible
> > > > > into its output, to help others in diagnosing and/or reproducing your
> > > > > problems (and, hopefully, eventually fixing them).
> > > > >
> > > > > The "installed programs" part of the output attempts to list some common
> > > > > programs that people usually ask about.  This helps in situations where
> > > > > some other version of gcc hides the Cygwin version, for example, and
> > > > > people complain that gcc doesn't work.  The fact that the programs are or
> > > > > aren't found on your system shouldn't bother you unless you need to use
> > > > > one of them.  All four of the programs that you listed are development
> > > > > tools to let you build and debug programs.
> > > > >
> > > > > Frankly, I have no idea why "cpp not found" is "(good!)".  Perhaps it used
> > > > > to be that the gcc package hid cpp in its special directory, and you
> > > > > weren't supposed to invoke it directly, but rather by passing an option to
> > > > > gcc.  AFAICS, the current package ships with that program, so perhaps that
> > > > > note is outdated and should be removed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Since these programs are in the official Cygwin packages, you, apparently,
> > > > > haven't installed everything (which is what I read your "all the options"
> > > > > to mean).  If you want to see exactly what you've installed and what's
> > > > > available, run setup.exe and switch the view to "Full" (using the button
> > > > > on the top right of the package selection page).  You will see information
> > > > > about all the packages in the distribution.  I can't really tell you more
> > > > > about your system, since you haven't attached the output of "cygcheck
> > > > > -svr" as requested in <http://cygwin.com/problems.html>.
> > > > >
> > > > > As for whether you *should* "find" them, that's entirely up to you.  If
> > > > > you don't know what "gcc" is, likely you won't need it.  If you install a
> > > > > package that requires it, hopefully that package will either pull it in or
> > > > > complain the first time it tries to use it, at which point you'll know you
> > > > > need to install it (and will be able to find it on the Cygwin package
> > > > > search page at <http://cygwin.com/packages/>).  Until then, don't bother.
> > > > >
> > > > > HTH,
> > > > > Igor
> 
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Re: cygcheck

[Larry Hall]

At 09:16 PM 2/29/2004, George Hester you wrote:
>Hi Igor.
>
>Thanks for not browbeating me.  You would be amazed at the anathema "newbies" 
>such as myself often generate.


Yes, Igor has been known for ruining Cygwin's email list reputation of being
"mean".  If you're new to the list, it's an "inside" joke so don't worry if
you don't get it.


>I see all the "stuff" now.  I have to decide what I want.  I am concerned
>that say if I get a C compiler and headers it could interfere with the one
>I have.  Same thing with make.  Mine's called nmake so not sure.


If you're referring to MS's VC++ compiler, you don't have cause for 
concern.  Lots of people have it and gcc/g++ installed.  Actually, it's 
sometimes a problem with the reverse (i.e. VC++ interfering with gcc/g++).  
If you find that INCLUDE and LIB are defined in your environment now, you'll
want to unset these values (perhaps in your cygwin.bat or /etc/profile)
before starting Cygwin.  That will keep gcc/g++ from seeing the paths to
VC++-specific stuff.




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Re: cygcheck

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Sun, 29 Feb 2004, Larry Hall wrote:

> At 09:16 PM 2/29/2004, George Hester you wrote:
> >Hi Igor.
> >
> >Thanks for not browbeating me.  You would be amazed at the anathema
> >"newbies" such as myself often generate.
>
> Yes, Igor has been known for ruining Cygwin's email list reputation of being
> "mean".  If you're new to the list, it's an "inside" joke so don't worry if
> you don't get it.

Hey, I'm workin' on it.  Give me a couple more years... :-p
	Igor
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Re: cygcheck

[Christopher Faylor]

On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 09:36:42PM -0500, Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
>On Sun, 29 Feb 2004, Larry Hall wrote:
>>At 09:16 PM 2/29/2004, George Hester you wrote:
>>>Thanks for not browbeating me.  You would be amazed at the anathema
>>>"newbies" such as myself often generate.
>>
>>Yes, Igor has been known for ruining Cygwin's email list reputation of
>>being "mean".  If you're new to the list, it's an "inside" joke so
>>don't worry if you don't get it.
>
>Hey, I'm workin' on it.  Give me a couple more years...  :-p

Just to be clear:  I started out mean.

I blame too much tech support at a young age.

HTH,
cgf

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Re: cygcheck

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Sun, 29 Feb 2004, Christopher Faylor wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 09:36:42PM -0500, Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
> >On Sun, 29 Feb 2004, Larry Hall wrote:
> >>At 09:16 PM 2/29/2004, George Hester you wrote:
> >>>Thanks for not browbeating me.  You would be amazed at the anathema
> >>>"newbies" such as myself often generate.
> >>
> >>Yes, Igor has been known for ruining Cygwin's email list reputation of
> >>being "mean".  If you're new to the list, it's an "inside" joke so
> >>don't worry if you don't get it.
> >
> >Hey, I'm workin' on it.  Give me a couple more years...  :-p

... and the perceived meanness of this list will be but a distant memory.

> Just to be clear:  I started out mean.
>
> I blame too much tech support at a young age.
>
> HTH,
> cgf

And here's proof: thousands of list subscribers have seen CGF utter a
non-mean phrase (I could provide a URL, but you all know what I'm talking
about).  As I said, I'm working on it... :-D
	Igor
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Re: cygcheck

[Christopher Faylor]

On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 10:03:34PM -0500, Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
>On Sun, 29 Feb 2004, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 09:36:42PM -0500, Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
>> >On Sun, 29 Feb 2004, Larry Hall wrote:
>> >>At 09:16 PM 2/29/2004, George Hester you wrote:
>> >>>Thanks for not browbeating me.  You would be amazed at the anathema
>> >>>"newbies" such as myself often generate.
>> >>
>> >>Yes, Igor has been known for ruining Cygwin's email list reputation of
>> >>being "mean".  If you're new to the list, it's an "inside" joke so
>> >>don't worry if you don't get it.
>> >
>> >Hey, I'm workin' on it.  Give me a couple more years...  :-p
>
>... and the perceived meanness of this list will be but a distant memory.
>
>> Just to be clear:  I started out mean.
>>
>> I blame too much tech support at a young age.
>>
>> HTH,
>
>And here's proof: thousands of list subscribers have seen CGF utter a
>non-mean phrase (I could provide a URL, but you all know what I'm talking
>about).  As I said, I'm working on it... :-D

Oops.  Looks like I misinterpreted where you were going.  Sorry.

Maybe we need a "howto" on how to interpret messages here.  We at least
need a FAQ.  It's just too confusing.  I'm sure many people would
contribute more if there was a howto.

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RE: cygcheck

[Ross Boulet]

> On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 09:36:42PM -0500, Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
> >On Sun, 29 Feb 2004, Larry Hall wrote:
> >>At 09:16 PM 2/29/2004, George Hester you wrote:
> >>>Thanks for not browbeating me.  You would be amazed at the anathema
> >>>"newbies" such as myself often generate.
> >>
> >>Yes, Igor has been known for ruining Cygwin's email list 
> reputation of
> >>being "mean".  If you're new to the list, it's an "inside" joke so
> >>don't worry if you don't get it.
> >
> >Hey, I'm workin' on it.  Give me a couple more years...  :-p
> 
> Just to be clear:  I started out mean.
> 
> I blame too much tech support at a young age.
> 
> HTH,
> cgf
> 
Was that giving or receiving too much tech support?  :-D 

I can see how either could give the same result!



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Re: cygcheck

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Sun, 29 Feb 2004, Christopher Faylor wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 10:03:34PM -0500, Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
> >On Sun, 29 Feb 2004, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 09:36:42PM -0500, Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
> >> >On Sun, 29 Feb 2004, Larry Hall wrote:
> >> >>At 09:16 PM 2/29/2004, George Hester you wrote:
> >> >>>Thanks for not browbeating me.  You would be amazed at the anathema
> >> >>>"newbies" such as myself often generate.
> >> >>
> >> >>Yes, Igor has been known for ruining Cygwin's email list reputation of
> >> >>being "mean".  If you're new to the list, it's an "inside" joke so
> >> >>don't worry if you don't get it.
> >> >
> >> >Hey, I'm workin' on it.  Give me a couple more years...  :-p
> >
> >... and the perceived meanness of this list will be but a distant memory.
> >
> >> Just to be clear:  I started out mean.
> >>
> >> I blame too much tech support at a young age.
> >>
> >> HTH,
> >
> >And here's proof: thousands of list subscribers have seen CGF utter a
> >non-mean phrase (I could provide a URL, but you all know what I'm talking
> >about).  As I said, I'm working on it... :-D
>
> Oops.  Looks like I misinterpreted where you were going.  Sorry.
>
> Maybe we need a "howto" on how to interpret messages here.  We at least
> need a FAQ.  It's just too confusing.  I'm sure many people would
> contribute more if there was a howto.

Was that mean?  I can't tell... ;-)
	Igor
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Re: cygcheck

[Karl M]

Hi Chris...

Blaming is a mean thing to do :,).

...Karl


>From: Christopher Faylor <cgf-no-personal-reply-please@cygwin.com>
>Reply-To: cygwin@cygwin.com
>To: cygwin@cygwin.com
>Subject: Re: cygcheck
>Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 21:44:46 -0500
>
>On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 09:36:42PM -0500, Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
> >On Sun, 29 Feb 2004, Larry Hall wrote:
> >>At 09:16 PM 2/29/2004, George Hester you wrote:
> >>>Thanks for not browbeating me.  You would be amazed at the anathema
> >>>"newbies" such as myself often generate.
> >>
> >>Yes, Igor has been known for ruining Cygwin's email list reputation of
> >>being "mean".  If you're new to the list, it's an "inside" joke so
> >>don't worry if you don't get it.
> >
> >Hey, I'm workin' on it.  Give me a couple more years...  :-p
>
>Just to be clear:  I started out mean.
>
>I blame too much tech support at a young age.
>
>HTH,
>cgf
>
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