From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5506 invoked by alias); 2 Mar 2002 01:23:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner@cygwin.com Received: (qmail 5444 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2002 01:23:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO itdomain003.itdomain.net.au) (203.63.157.208) by sources.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2002 01:23:56 -0000 Received: from lifelesswks ([144.137.124.33]) by itdomain003.itdomain.net.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:23:55 +1100 Message-ID: <004a01c1c189$1569cc60$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> From: "Robert Collins" To: , "Randall R Schulz" References: <20020301101318.16349.qmail@oak.oeko.net> <20020301101318.16349.qmail@oak.oeko.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020301073006.024b18c8@pop3.cris.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020301075448.00aaf730@pop3.cris.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020301160226.02538020@pop3.cris.com> <3C801DDC.9030607@ece.gatech.edu> Subject: Re: "local install"? Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 17:23:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Mar 2002 01:23:55.0291 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB71EEB0:01C1C188] X-SW-Source: 2002-03/txt/msg00057.txt.bz2 Sorry about the length, just wanted to be really clear... === ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Wilson" > Basically, the reason we've been harping that "setup is not a mirroring > tool" is to preserve the freedom to change setup's on-disk database and > operational behavior in order to support setup's *primary* goal. If you > want a local copy of the tarballs that looks just like > ftp://mirrors.rcn.net/ -- setup may no longer do that for you -- or the > way it does it may be different than you expect (e.g. the "extra" > 'http%%%site%path' directory level) The reason *I've* been harping about setup != mirror tool is that mirror tools have a *heap* of functionality that setup doesn't, and in my opinion should not have in the download-and-bootstrap-and-maintain-cygwin GUI. I.e.: regexp filters on packages to get, grabbing source as well as binaries, grabbing all versions available at once, grabbing on a schedule, and probably more. Setup's goal is quite simple: Install and update a cygwin net distribution in a non-confusing manner that is satisfactory to the broadest possible group of cygwin users, in a reliable fashion. To this end we have things like: * Categories (too many packages) * dependencies (foo does not work without bar) * a local cache dir (Why does it always download X - I simply want to reinstall) * in-place file replacement (I upgraded ssh, but it had an error on sshd.exe, and now sshd won't start) * Default to a bare minimum installed (I've a low bandwidth connection..) I will very happily change the local dir structure irrespective of folk using setup as a mirroring tool or not - keeping forward compatability (but not backwards) is easy. What I won't do is accept "Setup won't let me automagically grab all the source tarballs shown in the GUI" as a bug report. Likewise "Setup defaults to not installing gcc" is not IMO a valid bug report, because it's easy to merge in a setup.ini to add packages to Base or Misc, but it's much harder to stop packages auto-installing if they are in base or misc. So in short, anyone who wants to use setup to maintain a local cache to install from *should do this*. But don't expect it to be useable as a run-at-midnight tool to automatically update said cache. I will happily support endeavours to create such a tool, that leverages the setup.exe code base and lives in cinstall. Rob -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/