* Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic] (was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
@ 1999-03-08 15:07 Suhaib M. Siddiqi
1999-03-31 19:45 ` Suhaib M. Siddiqi
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From: Suhaib M. Siddiqi @ 1999-03-08 15:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: DJ Delorie, hcobb; +Cc: cygwin
>
>> Ergo, if you buy such a product, you MUST NOT run any other software
that
>> loads the cygwin1.dll, because either you would be making their
product
>> load the GPL'd dll or your GPL software would be loading the license
>> restricted dll.
>
>Since Windows checks the directory the executable runs from before the
>PATH, this shouldn't be a problem if the dll is stored with the
>executable and you manage your path properly. Yes, I know it doesn't
>always work that way. If you have two cygwin1.dlls in your PATH and
>they're incompatible, you might have other problems anyway.
>
Is this GLD or GPL-jokes?
If so, one will be better of not using any software. GPL licensing from
GNU is a mess anyway.
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* Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic] (was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
1999-03-08 15:07 Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic] (was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey) Suhaib M. Siddiqi
@ 1999-03-31 19:45 ` Suhaib M. Siddiqi
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From: Suhaib M. Siddiqi @ 1999-03-31 19:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: DJ Delorie, hcobb; +Cc: cygwin
>
>> Ergo, if you buy such a product, you MUST NOT run any other software
that
>> loads the cygwin1.dll, because either you would be making their
product
>> load the GPL'd dll or your GPL software would be loading the license
>> restricted dll.
>
>Since Windows checks the directory the executable runs from before the
>PATH, this shouldn't be a problem if the dll is stored with the
>executable and you manage your path properly. Yes, I know it doesn't
>always work that way. If you have two cygwin1.dlls in your PATH and
>they're incompatible, you might have other problems anyway.
>
Is this GLD or GPL-jokes?
If so, one will be better of not using any software. GPL licensing from
GNU is a mess anyway.
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* Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic] (was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
1999-03-08 14:47 ` DJ Delorie
[not found] ` < 199903082247.RAA11818@envy.delorie.com >
[not found] ` <199903082259.RAA18063@delorie.com>
@ 1999-03-31 19:45 ` DJ Delorie
1999-03-31 19:45 ` Henry J. Cobb
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From: DJ Delorie @ 1999-03-31 19:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ssiddiqi; +Cc: cygwin
> Yes, I am referring to a commercial customer (PGI) who officially
> distribute it as a bundled product:
If a customer buys a commercial redistribution cygwin license from us,
and uses cygwin1.dll in their application, they may distribute
cygwin1.dll with their application since their app requires
cygwin1.dll to function.
However, this does NOT mean that the cygwin1.dll they include is a
GPL'd product - you must treat it like any other proprietary software,
and neither copy nor redistribute it, nor use it for anything other
than running their applictions.
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* Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic] (was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
1999-03-08 15:01 ` DJ Delorie
@ 1999-03-31 19:45 ` DJ Delorie
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From: DJ Delorie @ 1999-03-31 19:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: hcobb; +Cc: Ssiddiqi, cygwin
> Ergo, if you buy such a product, you MUST NOT run any other software that
> loads the cygwin1.dll, because either you would be making their product
> load the GPL'd dll or your GPL software would be loading the license
> restricted dll.
Since Windows checks the directory the executable runs from before the
PATH, this shouldn't be a problem if the dll is stored with the
executable and you manage your path properly. Yes, I know it doesn't
always work that way. If you have two cygwin1.dlls in your PATH and
they're incompatible, you might have other problems anyway.
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* Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic] (was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
1999-03-08 11:13 Suhaib M. Siddiqi
@ 1999-03-31 19:45 ` Suhaib M. Siddiqi
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From: Suhaib M. Siddiqi @ 1999-03-31 19:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fergus Henderson, cygwin
From: Fergus Henderson <fjh@cs.mu.OZ.AU>; Fergus Henderson
<fjh@cs.mu.OZ.AU>
To: <cygwin@sourceware.cygnus.com>
Sent: Monday, March 08, 1999 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic]
(was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
>On 08-Mar-1999, Chris Faylor <cgf@cygnus.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 09:11:57PM -0500, Suhaib M. Siddiqi wrote:
>> >The crt0.o and cygwin1.dll comes with another commercial compiler
too.
>> >I do not think the GPL is valid there, to get that you need to pay
first???
>>
>> If someone is distributing code which incorporates our crt0 file then
it
>> *must* be GPLed.
>
>I don't think that is correct. I believe the "commercial compiler"
>that Suhaib M. Siddiqi is referring to may be the one known as the
>"Cygnus GNUPro Development Tools" ;-)
>
Well, no it is not GNU Pro. It is PGI. They do redistribute the
bundled cygwin.dll, I believe under a license agreement. PGi also
recently signed a deal with Interix (formerly known as OpenNT) to make
their compilers compatible with Interix. However to get PGI you pay a
lesser amount of appropriate cash compare to GNU Pro. Beside, their
compilers are known to be of high quality commercial compilers. You do
not get ligcygwin.a. If you need that you will need to license GNU Pro
from Cygnus. But you do get cygwin.dl and their version of dlltools.
So the question is I am licensing cygwin.dll from another vendor,
without libcygwin.a. This vendor supplies the dlltools too, should I be
violating a GPL if I extract the export codes from cygwin.dll using the
licensed cygwin.dll.
I am just curious here.
>If I understand things correctly, it *is* possible to get a license for
>Cygwin that allows you to link proprietry code which incorporates the
>Cygwin crt0 file --- you just need to fork over the appropriate amount
of
>cash to Cygnus to pay for that license.
>
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* Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic] (was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
1999-03-08 11:08 ` Chris Faylor
@ 1999-03-31 19:45 ` Chris Faylor
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From: Chris Faylor @ 1999-03-31 19:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fergus Henderson; +Cc: cygwin
On Tue, Mar 09, 1999 at 06:01:14AM +1100, Fergus Henderson wrote:
>On 08-Mar-1999, Chris Faylor <cgf@cygnus.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 09:11:57PM -0500, Suhaib M. Siddiqi wrote:
>> >The crt0.o and cygwin1.dll comes with another commercial compiler too.
>> >I do not think the GPL is valid there, to get that you need to pay first???
>>
>> If someone is distributing code which incorporates our crt0 file then it
>> *must* be GPLed.
>
>I don't think that is correct. I believe the "commercial compiler"
>that Suhaib M. Siddiqi is referring to may be the one known as the
>"Cygnus GNUPro Development Tools" ;-)
>
>If I understand things correctly, it *is* possible to get a license for
>Cygwin that allows you to link proprietry code which incorporates the
>Cygwin crt0 file --- you just need to fork over the appropriate amount of
>cash to Cygnus to pay for that license.
That's right. As the license holder for cygwin we reserve the right to
distribute the code under a different licensing agreement.
We do allow our customers to distribute code linked with the DLL under
other terms than the GPL -- for a fee.
I don't believe that Suhaib is referring to our own products however, and
I don't believe that he is referring to a commercial customer of Cygnus.
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* Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic] (was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
1999-03-08 14:39 Suhaib M. Siddiqi
[not found] ` < 008f01be69b6$f4fa6ed0$29acdfd0@InspirePharm.Com >
@ 1999-03-31 19:45 ` Suhaib M. Siddiqi
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From: Suhaib M. Siddiqi @ 1999-03-31 19:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin
>>
>>I don't think that is correct. I believe the "commercial compiler"
>>that Suhaib M. Siddiqi is referring to may be the one known as the
>>"Cygnus GNUPro Development Tools" ;-)
>>
>>If I understand things correctly, it *is* possible to get a license
for
>>Cygwin that allows you to link proprietry code which incorporates the
>>Cygwin crt0 file --- you just need to fork over the appropriate amount
of
>>cash to Cygnus to pay for that license.
>
>That's right. As the license holder for cygwin we reserve the right to
>distribute the code under a different licensing agreement.
>
>We do allow our customers to distribute code linked with the DLL under
>other terms than the GPL -- for a fee.
>
>I don't believe that Suhaib is referring to our own products however,
and
>I don't believe that he is referring to a commercial customer of
Cygnus.
>
>cgf
Yes, I am referring to a commercial customer (PGI) who officially
distribute
it as a bundled product:
here is a paragraph from their brochures. I do not accept illegal
software and do not allow others to make illegal copies of my licensed
software.
Suhaib
* PGHPF Workstation
- Command-level F77 compiler
- Command-level F90 compiler
- Command-level HPF compiler
- Supported on Linux/Solaris86/NT
- Full HPF support for multi-processor (SMP) systems
- Threads-based SMP auto-parallelization in F77/F90
- Native directive-based OpenMP parallelization in F77/F90
- SGI C$DOACROSS directive supported in F77/F90
- Byte-swapping unformatted I/O (big-endian to little)
- Executables utilize up to 4 processors
- Cray/DEC/IBM compatibility (including Cray POINTERs)
- PGPROF performance profiler (command-level only on NT)
- PGDBG symbolic debugger (not yet available on NT)
- UNIX-like command environment bundled on NT <---note
this----------------
- Node-locked single-user license
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* Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic] (was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
1999-03-07 18:06 ` Chris Faylor, Chris Faylor
@ 1999-03-31 19:45 ` Chris Faylor, Chris Faylor
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From: Chris Faylor, Chris Faylor @ 1999-03-31 19:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin
On Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 08:14:22PM -0500, Tripp Lilley wrote:
>On Sun, 7 Mar 1999, Chris Faylor wrote:
>
>> If a program is built using the cygwin stub library (-lcygwin) it *must*
>> be GPLed. This is not an optional thing. It's a legal requirement.
>
>If the program is not built using the cygwin stub, but /does/ link to the
>DLL using the OS' dynamic linking facility, does it still have to be
>distributed under the GPL?
I am not an expert but I believe that if you avoid using libcygwin.a and
(more importantly) crt0.o then you'd probably be safe.
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* Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic] (was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
1999-03-08 7:45 ` Chris Faylor
[not found] ` < 19990308104616.E789@cygnus.com >
[not found] ` <19990309060114.17632@mundook.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
@ 1999-03-31 19:45 ` Chris Faylor
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From: Chris Faylor @ 1999-03-31 19:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin
On Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 09:11:57PM -0500, Suhaib M. Siddiqi wrote:
>.
>>>
>>>If the program is not built using the cygwin stub, but /does/ link to the
>>>DLL using the OS' dynamic linking facility, does it still have to be
>>>distributed under the GPL?
>>
>>I am not an expert but I believe that if you avoid using libcygwin.a and
>>(more importantly) crt0.o then you'd probably be safe.
>
>The crt0.o and cygwin1.dll comes with another commercial compiler too.
>I do not think the GPL is valid there, to get that you need to pay first???
If someone is distributing code which incorporates our crt0 file then it
*must* be GPLed.
If they are just distributing the crt0.o module and cygwin1.dll then they
must make source code available for both.
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* Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic] (was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
1999-03-08 11:03 ` Fergus Henderson, Fergus Henderson
@ 1999-03-31 19:45 ` Fergus Henderson, Fergus Henderson
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From: Fergus Henderson, Fergus Henderson @ 1999-03-31 19:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin
On 08-Mar-1999, Chris Faylor <cgf@cygnus.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 09:11:57PM -0500, Suhaib M. Siddiqi wrote:
> >The crt0.o and cygwin1.dll comes with another commercial compiler too.
> >I do not think the GPL is valid there, to get that you need to pay first???
>
> If someone is distributing code which incorporates our crt0 file then it
> *must* be GPLed.
I don't think that is correct. I believe the "commercial compiler"
that Suhaib M. Siddiqi is referring to may be the one known as the
"Cygnus GNUPro Development Tools" ;-)
If I understand things correctly, it *is* possible to get a license for
Cygwin that allows you to link proprietry code which incorporates the
Cygwin crt0 file --- you just need to fork over the appropriate amount of
cash to Cygnus to pay for that license.
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* Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic] (was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
1999-03-07 18:18 Suhaib M. Siddiqi
1999-03-09 17:39 ` Stipe Tolj
@ 1999-03-31 19:45 ` Suhaib M. Siddiqi
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From: Suhaib M. Siddiqi @ 1999-03-31 19:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Chris Faylor, cygwin
By the way, you typed cygwin@cygnus.com. I hit the reply button and it
bounces :-)
Suhaib
>>
>>If the program is not built using the cygwin stub, but /does/ link to the
>>DLL using the OS' dynamic linking facility, does it still have to be
>>distributed under the GPL?
>
>I am not an expert but I believe that if you avoid using libcygwin.a and
>(more importantly) crt0.o then you'd probably be safe.
>
The crt0.o and cygwin1.dll comes with another commercial compiler too.
I do not think the GPL is valid there, to get that you need to pay first???
Suhaib
>cgf
>
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* Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic] (was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
1999-03-09 17:47 ` Chris Faylor
@ 1999-03-31 19:45 ` Chris Faylor
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From: Chris Faylor @ 1999-03-31 19:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stipe Tolj; +Cc: Suhaib M. Siddiqi, cygwin
On Wed, Mar 10, 1999 at 01:56:18AM +0100, Stipe Tolj wrote:
>Suhaib M. Siddiqi wrote:
>> By the way, you typed cygwin@cygnus.com. I hit the reply button and it
>> bounces :-)
>> Suhaib
>
>yep, it seems as if all mailing list mails from Chris go to
>xxx@cygnus.com. This may be ok for the cygnus.com domain but this makes
>filtering for various mailing list more problematic on our user side.
>
>I would ask you Chris kindly to send all mails to sourceware.cygnus.com
>as we users do too. This would really ease filtering and replying
>mechanisms.
Someone started this thread by sending mail to cygwin@cygnus.com . I did reply
to a couple of messages in this thread with this email address but I can assure
you that I didn't start using the erroneous email address. It doesn't work
any better for me than it does for anyone else.
cgf
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* Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic] (was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
1999-03-08 14:47 ` DJ Delorie
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
1999-03-31 19:45 ` DJ Delorie
@ 1999-03-31 19:45 ` Henry J. Cobb
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From: Henry J. Cobb @ 1999-03-31 19:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: dj; +Cc: Ssiddiqi, cygwin
>However, this does NOT mean that the cygwin1.dll they include is a
>GPL'd product - you must treat it like any other proprietary software,
>and neither copy nor redistribute it, nor use it for anything other
>than running their applictions.
Ergo, if you buy such a product, you MUST NOT run any other software that
loads the cygwin1.dll, because either you would be making their product
load the GPL'd dll or your GPL software would be loading the license
restricted dll.
At least Big Blue thought at least this far and required you to rename and
trim out their C++ library DLLs for your products.
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* Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic] (was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
1999-03-08 15:02 Suhaib M. Siddiqi
[not found] ` < 00a701be69ba$27d003d0$29acdfd0@InspirePharm.Com >
@ 1999-03-31 19:45 ` Henry J. Cobb
1999-03-31 19:45 ` Suhaib M. Siddiqi
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From: Henry J. Cobb @ 1999-03-31 19:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ssiddiqi; +Cc: dj, cygwin
The IBM C++ compiler shipped with a tool to rename their library DLLs so that
your product would ship with your own version of their DLLs and would not
conflict with any other program that was built with their compiler.
(At the expense of more memory and CPU time...)
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* Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic] (was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
1999-03-08 15:02 Suhaib M. Siddiqi
[not found] ` < 00a701be69ba$27d003d0$29acdfd0@InspirePharm.Com >
1999-03-31 19:45 ` Henry J. Cobb
@ 1999-03-31 19:45 ` Suhaib M. Siddiqi
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From: Suhaib M. Siddiqi @ 1999-03-31 19:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: hcobb, dj; +Cc: cygwin
>>However, this does NOT mean that the cygwin1.dll they include is a
>>GPL'd product - you must treat it like any other proprietary software,
>>and neither copy nor redistribute it, nor use it for anything other
>>than running their applictions.
>
>Ergo, if you buy such a product, you MUST NOT run any other software
that
>loads the cygwin1.dll, because either you would be making their product
>load the GPL'd dll or your GPL software would be loading the license
>restricted dll.
>
This absolutely vague. If this is so, then why someone should buy that
product???
>At least Big Blue thought at least this far and required you to rename
and
>trim out their C++ library DLLs for your products.
>
What does it mean?
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* Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic] (was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
1999-03-08 15:23 ` Chris Faylor
@ 1999-03-31 19:45 ` Chris Faylor
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From: Chris Faylor @ 1999-03-31 19:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Suhaib M. Siddiqi; +Cc: Fergus Henderson, cygwin
We're investigating this now.
I certainly am not aware of every one of our commercial customers so it
is possible that this company has purchased a commercial license from us.
If they haven't, perhaps they've bundled things in such as way as to avoid
the GPL requirement.
cgf
On Mon, Mar 08, 1999 at 05:54:03PM -0500, Suhaib M. Siddiqi wrote:
>>>I don't think that is correct. I believe the "commercial compiler"
>>>that Suhaib M. Siddiqi is referring to may be the one known as the
>>>"Cygnus GNUPro Development Tools" ;-)
>>>
>>>If I understand things correctly, it *is* possible to get a license
>for
>>>Cygwin that allows you to link proprietry code which incorporates the
>>>Cygwin crt0 file --- you just need to fork over the appropriate amount
>of
>>>cash to Cygnus to pay for that license.
>>
>>That's right. As the license holder for cygwin we reserve the right to
>>distribute the code under a different licensing agreement.
>>
>>We do allow our customers to distribute code linked with the DLL under
>>other terms than the GPL -- for a fee.
>>
>>I don't believe that Suhaib is referring to our own products however,
>and
>>I don't believe that he is referring to a commercial customer of
>Cygnus.
>>
>>cgf
>
>
>Yes, I am refering to a commercial cuustomer (PGI) who officially
>distribute
>it as a bundeled product:
>
>here is a paragraph from their brochures. I do not accept ilega
>software and do not allow others to make illegal copies of my licensed
>software.
>
>Suhaib
>
>* PGHPF Workstation
> - Command-level F77 compiler
> - Command-level F90 compiler
> - Command-level HPF compiler
> - Supported on Linux/Solaris86/NT
> - Full HPF support for multi-processor (SMP) systems
> - Threads-based SMP auto-parallelization in F77/F90
> - Native directive-based OpenMP parallelization in F77/F90
> - SGI C$DOACROSS directive supported in F77/F90
> - Byte-swapping unformatted I/O (big-endian to little)
> - Executables utilize up to 4 processors
> - Cray/DEC/IBM compatibility (including Cray POINTERs)
> - PGPROF performance profiler (command-level only on NT)
> - PGDBG symbolic debugger (not yet available on NT)
> - UNIX-like command environment bundled on NT <---note
>this----------------
> - Node-locked single-user license
>
> PGHPF Workstation 1 Year Subscription
>
>
>
>
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* Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic] (was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
1999-03-08 15:09 Suhaib M. Siddiqi
@ 1999-03-31 19:45 ` Suhaib M. Siddiqi
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From: Suhaib M. Siddiqi @ 1999-03-31 19:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: hcobb; +Cc: dj, cygwin
...shipped with a tool to rename their library DLLs so that
>your product would ship with your own version of their DLLs and would
not
>conflict with any other program that was built with their compiler.
>
>(At the expense of more memory and CPU time...)
>
Regradless, it is a good idea. I was not aware of it.
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* Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic] (was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
1999-03-08 14:50 Suhaib M. Siddiqi
@ 1999-03-31 19:45 ` Suhaib M. Siddiqi
0 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: Suhaib M. Siddiqi @ 1999-03-31 19:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: DJ Delorie; +Cc: cygwin
>
>> Yes, I am referring to a commercial customer (PGI) who officially
>> distribute it as a bundled product:
>
>If a customer buys a commercial redistribution cygwin license from us,
>and uses cygwin1.dll in their application, they may distribute
>cygwin1.dll with their application since their app requires
>cygwin1.dll to function.
>
>However, this does NOT mean that the cygwin1.dll they include is a
>GPL'd product - you must treat it like any other proprietary software,
>and neither copy nor redistribute it, nor use it for anything other
>than running their applictions.
>
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* Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic] (was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
1999-03-09 17:39 ` Stipe Tolj
[not found] ` < 36E5C331.2C0B@uni-duesseldorf.de >
@ 1999-03-31 19:45 ` Stipe Tolj
1 sibling, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: Stipe Tolj @ 1999-03-31 19:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Suhaib M. Siddiqi; +Cc: Chris Faylor, cygwin
Suhaib M. Siddiqi wrote:
>
> By the way, you typed cygwin@cygnus.com. I hit the reply button and it
> bounces :-)
> Suhaib
yep, it seems as if all mailing list mails from Chris go to
xxx@cygnus.com. This may be ok for the cygnus.com domain but this makes
filtering for various mailing list more problematic on our user side.
I would ask you Chris kindly to send all mails to sourceware.cygnus.com
as we users do too. This would really ease filtering and replying
mechanisms.
Regards,
Stipe
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* Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic] (was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
[not found] ` < 36E5C331.2C0B@uni-duesseldorf.de >
@ 1999-03-09 17:47 ` Chris Faylor
1999-03-31 19:45 ` Chris Faylor
0 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread
From: Chris Faylor @ 1999-03-09 17:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stipe Tolj; +Cc: Suhaib M. Siddiqi, cygwin
On Wed, Mar 10, 1999 at 01:56:18AM +0100, Stipe Tolj wrote:
>Suhaib M. Siddiqi wrote:
>> By the way, you typed cygwin@cygnus.com. I hit the reply button and it
>> bounces :-)
>> Suhaib
>
>yep, it seems as if all mailing list mails from Chris go to
>xxx@cygnus.com. This may be ok for the cygnus.com domain but this makes
>filtering for various mailing list more problematic on our user side.
>
>I would ask you Chris kindly to send all mails to sourceware.cygnus.com
>as we users do too. This would really ease filtering and replying
>mechanisms.
Someone started this thread by sending mail to cygwin@cygnus.com . I did reply
to a couple of messages in this thread with this email address but I can assure
you that I didn't start using the erroneous email address. It doesn't work
any better for me than it does for anyone else.
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* Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic] (was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
1999-03-07 18:18 Suhaib M. Siddiqi
@ 1999-03-09 17:39 ` Stipe Tolj
[not found] ` < 36E5C331.2C0B@uni-duesseldorf.de >
1999-03-31 19:45 ` Stipe Tolj
1999-03-31 19:45 ` Suhaib M. Siddiqi
1 sibling, 2 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: Stipe Tolj @ 1999-03-09 17:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Suhaib M. Siddiqi; +Cc: Chris Faylor, cygwin
Suhaib M. Siddiqi wrote:
>
> By the way, you typed cygwin@cygnus.com. I hit the reply button and it
> bounces :-)
> Suhaib
yep, it seems as if all mailing list mails from Chris go to
xxx@cygnus.com. This may be ok for the cygnus.com domain but this makes
filtering for various mailing list more problematic on our user side.
I would ask you Chris kindly to send all mails to sourceware.cygnus.com
as we users do too. This would really ease filtering and replying
mechanisms.
Regards,
Stipe
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* Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic] (was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
[not found] <006a01be69b6$90433300$29acdfd0@InspirePharm.Com>
@ 1999-03-08 15:23 ` Chris Faylor
1999-03-31 19:45 ` Chris Faylor
0 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread
From: Chris Faylor @ 1999-03-08 15:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Suhaib M. Siddiqi; +Cc: Fergus Henderson, cygwin
We're investigating this now.
I certainly am not aware of every one of our commercial customers so it
is possible that this company has purchased a commercial license from us.
If they haven't, perhaps they've bundled things in such as way as to avoid
the GPL requirement.
cgf
On Mon, Mar 08, 1999 at 05:54:03PM -0500, Suhaib M. Siddiqi wrote:
>>>I don't think that is correct. I believe the "commercial compiler"
>>>that Suhaib M. Siddiqi is referring to may be the one known as the
>>>"Cygnus GNUPro Development Tools" ;-)
>>>
>>>If I understand things correctly, it *is* possible to get a license
>for
>>>Cygwin that allows you to link proprietry code which incorporates the
>>>Cygwin crt0 file --- you just need to fork over the appropriate amount
>of
>>>cash to Cygnus to pay for that license.
>>
>>That's right. As the license holder for cygwin we reserve the right to
>>distribute the code under a different licensing agreement.
>>
>>We do allow our customers to distribute code linked with the DLL under
>>other terms than the GPL -- for a fee.
>>
>>I don't believe that Suhaib is referring to our own products however,
>and
>>I don't believe that he is referring to a commercial customer of
>Cygnus.
>>
>>cgf
>
>
>Yes, I am refering to a commercial cuustomer (PGI) who officially
>distribute
>it as a bundeled product:
>
>here is a paragraph from their brochures. I do not accept ilega
>software and do not allow others to make illegal copies of my licensed
>software.
>
>Suhaib
>
>* PGHPF Workstation
> - Command-level F77 compiler
> - Command-level F90 compiler
> - Command-level HPF compiler
> - Supported on Linux/Solaris86/NT
> - Full HPF support for multi-processor (SMP) systems
> - Threads-based SMP auto-parallelization in F77/F90
> - Native directive-based OpenMP parallelization in F77/F90
> - SGI C$DOACROSS directive supported in F77/F90
> - Byte-swapping unformatted I/O (big-endian to little)
> - Executables utilize up to 4 processors
> - Cray/DEC/IBM compatibility (including Cray POINTERs)
> - PGPROF performance profiler (command-level only on NT)
> - PGDBG symbolic debugger (not yet available on NT)
> - UNIX-like command environment bundled on NT <---note
>this----------------
> - Node-locked single-user license
>
> PGHPF Workstation 1 Year Subscription
>
>
>
>
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* Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic] (was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
@ 1999-03-08 15:09 Suhaib M. Siddiqi
1999-03-31 19:45 ` Suhaib M. Siddiqi
0 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread
From: Suhaib M. Siddiqi @ 1999-03-08 15:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: hcobb; +Cc: dj, cygwin
...shipped with a tool to rename their library DLLs so that
>your product would ship with your own version of their DLLs and would
not
>conflict with any other program that was built with their compiler.
>
>(At the expense of more memory and CPU time...)
>
Regradless, it is a good idea. I was not aware of it.
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* Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic] (was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
[not found] ` < 00a701be69ba$27d003d0$29acdfd0@InspirePharm.Com >
@ 1999-03-08 15:06 ` Henry J. Cobb
0 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: Henry J. Cobb @ 1999-03-08 15:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ssiddiqi; +Cc: dj, cygwin
The IBM C++ compiler shipped with a tool to rename their library DLLs so that
your product would ship with your own version of their DLLs and would not
conflict with any other program that was built with their compiler.
(At the expense of more memory and CPU time...)
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* Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic] (was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
@ 1999-03-08 15:02 Suhaib M. Siddiqi
[not found] ` < 00a701be69ba$27d003d0$29acdfd0@InspirePharm.Com >
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From: Suhaib M. Siddiqi @ 1999-03-08 15:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: hcobb, dj; +Cc: cygwin
>>However, this does NOT mean that the cygwin1.dll they include is a
>>GPL'd product - you must treat it like any other proprietary software,
>>and neither copy nor redistribute it, nor use it for anything other
>>than running their applictions.
>
>Ergo, if you buy such a product, you MUST NOT run any other software
that
>loads the cygwin1.dll, because either you would be making their product
>load the GPL'd dll or your GPL software would be loading the license
>restricted dll.
>
This absolutely vague. If this is so, then why someone should buy that
product???
>At least Big Blue thought at least this far and required you to rename
and
>trim out their C++ library DLLs for your products.
>
What does it mean?
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* Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic] (was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
[not found] ` <199903082259.RAA18063@delorie.com>
@ 1999-03-08 15:01 ` DJ Delorie
1999-03-31 19:45 ` DJ Delorie
0 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread
From: DJ Delorie @ 1999-03-08 15:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: hcobb; +Cc: Ssiddiqi, cygwin
> Ergo, if you buy such a product, you MUST NOT run any other software that
> loads the cygwin1.dll, because either you would be making their product
> load the GPL'd dll or your GPL software would be loading the license
> restricted dll.
Since Windows checks the directory the executable runs from before the
PATH, this shouldn't be a problem if the dll is stored with the
executable and you manage your path properly. Yes, I know it doesn't
always work that way. If you have two cygwin1.dlls in your PATH and
they're incompatible, you might have other problems anyway.
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* Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic] (was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
[not found] ` < 199903082247.RAA11818@envy.delorie.com >
@ 1999-03-08 14:59 ` Henry J. Cobb
0 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: Henry J. Cobb @ 1999-03-08 14:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: dj; +Cc: Ssiddiqi, cygwin
>However, this does NOT mean that the cygwin1.dll they include is a
>GPL'd product - you must treat it like any other proprietary software,
>and neither copy nor redistribute it, nor use it for anything other
>than running their applictions.
Ergo, if you buy such a product, you MUST NOT run any other software that
loads the cygwin1.dll, because either you would be making their product
load the GPL'd dll or your GPL software would be loading the license
restricted dll.
At least Big Blue thought at least this far and required you to rename and
trim out their C++ library DLLs for your products.
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* Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic] (was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
@ 1999-03-08 14:50 Suhaib M. Siddiqi
1999-03-31 19:45 ` Suhaib M. Siddiqi
0 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread
From: Suhaib M. Siddiqi @ 1999-03-08 14:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: DJ Delorie; +Cc: cygwin
>
>> Yes, I am referring to a commercial customer (PGI) who officially
>> distribute it as a bundled product:
>
>If a customer buys a commercial redistribution cygwin license from us,
>and uses cygwin1.dll in their application, they may distribute
>cygwin1.dll with their application since their app requires
>cygwin1.dll to function.
>
>However, this does NOT mean that the cygwin1.dll they include is a
>GPL'd product - you must treat it like any other proprietary software,
>and neither copy nor redistribute it, nor use it for anything other
>than running their applictions.
>
That is understood.
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* Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic] (was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
[not found] ` < 008f01be69b6$f4fa6ed0$29acdfd0@InspirePharm.Com >
@ 1999-03-08 14:47 ` DJ Delorie
[not found] ` < 199903082247.RAA11818@envy.delorie.com >
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From: DJ Delorie @ 1999-03-08 14:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ssiddiqi; +Cc: cygwin
> Yes, I am referring to a commercial customer (PGI) who officially
> distribute it as a bundled product:
If a customer buys a commercial redistribution cygwin license from us,
and uses cygwin1.dll in their application, they may distribute
cygwin1.dll with their application since their app requires
cygwin1.dll to function.
However, this does NOT mean that the cygwin1.dll they include is a
GPL'd product - you must treat it like any other proprietary software,
and neither copy nor redistribute it, nor use it for anything other
than running their applictions.
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* Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic] (was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
@ 1999-03-08 14:39 Suhaib M. Siddiqi
[not found] ` < 008f01be69b6$f4fa6ed0$29acdfd0@InspirePharm.Com >
1999-03-31 19:45 ` Suhaib M. Siddiqi
0 siblings, 2 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: Suhaib M. Siddiqi @ 1999-03-08 14:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin
>>
>>I don't think that is correct. I believe the "commercial compiler"
>>that Suhaib M. Siddiqi is referring to may be the one known as the
>>"Cygnus GNUPro Development Tools" ;-)
>>
>>If I understand things correctly, it *is* possible to get a license
for
>>Cygwin that allows you to link proprietry code which incorporates the
>>Cygwin crt0 file --- you just need to fork over the appropriate amount
of
>>cash to Cygnus to pay for that license.
>
>That's right. As the license holder for cygwin we reserve the right to
>distribute the code under a different licensing agreement.
>
>We do allow our customers to distribute code linked with the DLL under
>other terms than the GPL -- for a fee.
>
>I don't believe that Suhaib is referring to our own products however,
and
>I don't believe that he is referring to a commercial customer of
Cygnus.
>
>cgf
Yes, I am referring to a commercial customer (PGI) who officially
distribute
it as a bundled product:
here is a paragraph from their brochures. I do not accept illegal
software and do not allow others to make illegal copies of my licensed
software.
Suhaib
* PGHPF Workstation
- Command-level F77 compiler
- Command-level F90 compiler
- Command-level HPF compiler
- Supported on Linux/Solaris86/NT
- Full HPF support for multi-processor (SMP) systems
- Threads-based SMP auto-parallelization in F77/F90
- Native directive-based OpenMP parallelization in F77/F90
- SGI C$DOACROSS directive supported in F77/F90
- Byte-swapping unformatted I/O (big-endian to little)
- Executables utilize up to 4 processors
- Cray/DEC/IBM compatibility (including Cray POINTERs)
- PGPROF performance profiler (command-level only on NT)
- PGDBG symbolic debugger (not yet available on NT)
- UNIX-like command environment bundled on NT <---note
this----------------
- Node-locked single-user license
PGHPF Workstation 1 Year Subscription
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* Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic] (was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
@ 1999-03-08 11:13 Suhaib M. Siddiqi
1999-03-31 19:45 ` Suhaib M. Siddiqi
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From: Suhaib M. Siddiqi @ 1999-03-08 11:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fergus Henderson, cygwin
From: Fergus Henderson <fjh@cs.mu.OZ.AU>; Fergus Henderson
<fjh@cs.mu.OZ.AU>
To: <cygwin@sourceware.cygnus.com>
Sent: Monday, March 08, 1999 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic]
(was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
>On 08-Mar-1999, Chris Faylor <cgf@cygnus.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 09:11:57PM -0500, Suhaib M. Siddiqi wrote:
>> >The crt0.o and cygwin1.dll comes with another commercial compiler
too.
>> >I do not think the GPL is valid there, to get that you need to pay
first???
>>
>> If someone is distributing code which incorporates our crt0 file then
it
>> *must* be GPLed.
>
>I don't think that is correct. I believe the "commercial compiler"
>that Suhaib M. Siddiqi is referring to may be the one known as the
>"Cygnus GNUPro Development Tools" ;-)
>
Well, no it is not GNU Pro. It is PGI. They do redistribute the
bundled cygwin.dll, I believe under a license agreement. PGi also
recently signed a deal with Interix (formerly known as OpenNT) to make
their compilers compatible with Interix. However to get PGI you pay a
lesser amount of appropriate cash compare to GNU Pro. Beside, their
compilers are known to be of high quality commercial compilers. You do
not get ligcygwin.a. If you need that you will need to license GNU Pro
from Cygnus. But you do get cygwin.dl and their version of dlltools.
So the question is I am licensing cygwin.dll from another vendor,
without libcygwin.a. This vendor supplies the dlltools too, should I be
violating a GPL if I extract the export codes from cygwin.dll using the
licensed cygwin.dll.
I am just curious here.
>If I understand things correctly, it *is* possible to get a license for
>Cygwin that allows you to link proprietry code which incorporates the
>Cygwin crt0 file --- you just need to fork over the appropriate amount
of
>cash to Cygnus to pay for that license.
>
>--
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pursuit
>WWW: < http://www.cs.mu.oz.au/~fjh > | of excellence is a lethal habit"
>PGP: finger fjh@128.250.37.3 | -- the last words of T. S.
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* Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic] (was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
[not found] ` <19990309060114.17632@mundook.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
@ 1999-03-08 11:08 ` Chris Faylor
1999-03-31 19:45 ` Chris Faylor
0 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread
From: Chris Faylor @ 1999-03-08 11:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fergus Henderson; +Cc: cygwin
On Tue, Mar 09, 1999 at 06:01:14AM +1100, Fergus Henderson wrote:
>On 08-Mar-1999, Chris Faylor <cgf@cygnus.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 09:11:57PM -0500, Suhaib M. Siddiqi wrote:
>> >The crt0.o and cygwin1.dll comes with another commercial compiler too.
>> >I do not think the GPL is valid there, to get that you need to pay first???
>>
>> If someone is distributing code which incorporates our crt0 file then it
>> *must* be GPLed.
>
>I don't think that is correct. I believe the "commercial compiler"
>that Suhaib M. Siddiqi is referring to may be the one known as the
>"Cygnus GNUPro Development Tools" ;-)
>
>If I understand things correctly, it *is* possible to get a license for
>Cygwin that allows you to link proprietry code which incorporates the
>Cygwin crt0 file --- you just need to fork over the appropriate amount of
>cash to Cygnus to pay for that license.
That's right. As the license holder for cygwin we reserve the right to
distribute the code under a different licensing agreement.
We do allow our customers to distribute code linked with the DLL under
other terms than the GPL -- for a fee.
I don't believe that Suhaib is referring to our own products however, and
I don't believe that he is referring to a commercial customer of Cygnus.
cgf
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* Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic] (was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
[not found] ` < 19990308104616.E789@cygnus.com >
@ 1999-03-08 11:03 ` Fergus Henderson, Fergus Henderson
1999-03-31 19:45 ` Fergus Henderson, Fergus Henderson
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From: Fergus Henderson, Fergus Henderson @ 1999-03-08 11:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin
On 08-Mar-1999, Chris Faylor <cgf@cygnus.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 09:11:57PM -0500, Suhaib M. Siddiqi wrote:
> >The crt0.o and cygwin1.dll comes with another commercial compiler too.
> >I do not think the GPL is valid there, to get that you need to pay first???
>
> If someone is distributing code which incorporates our crt0 file then it
> *must* be GPLed.
I don't think that is correct. I believe the "commercial compiler"
that Suhaib M. Siddiqi is referring to may be the one known as the
"Cygnus GNUPro Development Tools" ;-)
If I understand things correctly, it *is* possible to get a license for
Cygwin that allows you to link proprietry code which incorporates the
Cygwin crt0 file --- you just need to fork over the appropriate amount of
cash to Cygnus to pay for that license.
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@ 1999-03-08 7:45 ` Chris Faylor
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From: Chris Faylor @ 1999-03-08 7:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin
On Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 09:11:57PM -0500, Suhaib M. Siddiqi wrote:
>.
>>>
>>>If the program is not built using the cygwin stub, but /does/ link to the
>>>DLL using the OS' dynamic linking facility, does it still have to be
>>>distributed under the GPL?
>>
>>I am not an expert but I believe that if you avoid using libcygwin.a and
>>(more importantly) crt0.o then you'd probably be safe.
>
>The crt0.o and cygwin1.dll comes with another commercial compiler too.
>I do not think the GPL is valid there, to get that you need to pay first???
If someone is distributing code which incorporates our crt0 file then it
*must* be GPLed.
If they are just distributing the crt0.o module and cygwin1.dll then they
must make source code available for both.
cgf
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* Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic] (was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
@ 1999-03-07 18:18 Suhaib M. Siddiqi
1999-03-09 17:39 ` Stipe Tolj
1999-03-31 19:45 ` Suhaib M. Siddiqi
0 siblings, 2 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: Suhaib M. Siddiqi @ 1999-03-07 18:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Chris Faylor, cygwin
By the way, you typed cygwin@cygnus.com. I hit the reply button and it
bounces :-)
Suhaib
>>
>>If the program is not built using the cygwin stub, but /does/ link to the
>>DLL using the OS' dynamic linking facility, does it still have to be
>>distributed under the GPL?
>
>I am not an expert but I believe that if you avoid using libcygwin.a and
>(more importantly) crt0.o then you'd probably be safe.
>
The crt0.o and cygwin1.dll comes with another commercial compiler too.
I do not think the GPL is valid there, to get that you need to pay first???
Suhaib
>cgf
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* Re: Does GPL apply without Cygwin stub? [long and off-topic] (was Re: [ANN] Cygwin DEV survey)
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@ 1999-03-07 18:06 ` Chris Faylor, Chris Faylor
1999-03-31 19:45 ` Chris Faylor, Chris Faylor
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From: Chris Faylor, Chris Faylor @ 1999-03-07 18:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin
On Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 08:14:22PM -0500, Tripp Lilley wrote:
>On Sun, 7 Mar 1999, Chris Faylor wrote:
>
>> If a program is built using the cygwin stub library (-lcygwin) it *must*
>> be GPLed. This is not an optional thing. It's a legal requirement.
>
>If the program is not built using the cygwin stub, but /does/ link to the
>DLL using the OS' dynamic linking facility, does it still have to be
>distributed under the GPL?
I am not an expert but I believe that if you avoid using libcygwin.a and
(more importantly) crt0.o then you'd probably be safe.
cgf
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