From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from us-smtp-1.mimecast.com (us-smtp-2.mimecast.com [205.139.110.61]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C811383F862 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 16:54:03 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 5C811383F862 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=cygwin.com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=fail smtp.mailfrom=yselkowitz@cygwin.com Received: from mimecast-mx01.redhat.com (mimecast-mx01.redhat.com [209.132.183.4]) (Using TLS) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP id us-mta-408-rwp91i7xM2Ks_Vh_ix00pQ-1; Mon, 11 May 2020 12:54:00 -0400 X-MC-Unique: rwp91i7xM2Ks_Vh_ix00pQ-1 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx08.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mimecast-mx01.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 98FB9100CCC3 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 16:53:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ovpn-113-5.rdu2.redhat.com (ovpn-113-5.rdu2.redhat.com [10.10.113.5]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 473F5341FD for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 16:53:59 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <00b7faf1141248605e8498c1d1a57e0b783b783e.camel@cygwin.com> Subject: Re: Default mingw _WIN32_WINNT From: Yaakov Selkowitz To: cygwin@cygwin.com Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 12:53:58 -0400 In-Reply-To: <8d3d6f8a857fa0c2dbf604a2fbc3b8d9@plebeian.com> References: <7101b829ec197e48e3aaf373625d950e95e29df4.camel@cygwin.com> <20200505085436.GC3947@calimero.vinschen.de> <5dfce652-c039-64af-e839-2bda021f7437@emrich-ebersheim.de> <8d3d6f8a857fa0c2dbf604a2fbc3b8d9@plebeian.com> User-Agent: Evolution 3.34.4 (3.34.4-1.fc31) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.84 on 10.5.11.23 X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: cygwin.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, KAM_DMARC_STATUS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_NEUTRAL, TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: cygwin@cygwin.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: General Cygwin discussions and problem reports List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 16:54:04 -0000 On Mon, 2020-05-11 at 10:55 -0400, Chris Wagner wrote: > On 2020-05-05 5:05 am, Rainer Emrich wrote: > > Am 05.05.2020 um 10:54 schrieb Corinna Vinschen: > > > Therefore it might be a good idea to bump the default for these > > > Cygwin-related headers to at least 0x0600. > > >=20 > > > Setting them to 0x0602 sounds like a good idea, but as long as we did= n't > > > drop Vista or W7 support it might be premature. > > >=20 > > > Btw., checking Cygwin sources for Vista and W7-specific code, it turn= ed > > > out that actually very few lines of code handle Vista or W7-specific > > > workarounds. The advantage of removing the code is pretty minor, so = I > > > didn't push the changes. While it's a bad idea to keep Vista and W7 > > > running (at least attached to the internet), we can support them a wh= ile > > > longer. > > I would expect support for Windows 7 as long as the Micsrosoft ESU > > program is active. We don't work for Microsoft, so as an independent project, we'll support Windows 7 only as long as we feel is viable and valuable. As Corinna said, for now that's the case, but nobody here is guaranteeing anything beyond that. > I would just like to chime in that it would be a crying shame if Cygwin= =20 > were to ever drop support for Windows 7. There are many people, myself= =20 > one, who are dead set against Windows 10. "Ever"?!? You do realize that, ESU aside, Windows 7 is out of support and therefore should be assumed to be vulnerable? -- Yaakov