* Running fontforge.exe does nothing @ 2008-06-24 12:05 David Spector 2008-06-24 13:14 ` Dave Korn 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: David Spector @ 2008-06-24 12:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin Hi. I've installed the latest cygwin on my Windows XP Home system named "SYS3", and it appears to run perfectly. I have plenty of disk and memory space. www.springtimesoftware.com/ff-screen02.JPG shows the result of typing xinit. (Typing startx is similar for me, except that the created X window is smaller.) I installed the latest fontforge, following the official instructions. When I run fontforge in the X window, nothing happens. www.springtimesoftware.com/ff-screen01.JPG shows this. As you can see, there is no error message. (I would have thought this was a fontforge question, but I was asked to post it here.) Does anyone have an idea of what I could have done wrong? I should say I know next to nothing about cygwin, fontforge, or Linux. I'm only interested in running fontforge, which requires cygwin. I believe lots of people do run fontforge on Windows, so an answer may be relevant to people other than myself. David -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* RE: Running fontforge.exe does nothing 2008-06-24 12:05 Running fontforge.exe does nothing David Spector @ 2008-06-24 13:14 ` Dave Korn [not found] ` <007e01c8d5f7$add7f970$0401a8c0@SYS3> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Dave Korn @ 2008-06-24 13:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin David Spector wrote on 24 June 2008 12:49: > Does anyone have an idea of what I could have done > wrong? Failing to notice when I answered this question yesterday? ;-) http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2008-06/msg00443.html cheers, DaveK -- Can't think of a witty .sigline today.... -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
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* RE: Running fontforge.exe does nothing [not found] ` <007e01c8d5f7$add7f970$0401a8c0@SYS3> @ 2008-06-24 18:56 ` Dave "No, not that one" Korn 2008-06-24 23:49 ` David Spector 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Dave "No, not that one" Korn @ 2008-06-24 18:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin; +Cc: 'David Spector' David Spector wrote on 24 June 2008 13:42: > Dave, > > Thank you for your prompt and excellent response, > which got lost somehow before I could see it in my > incoming mail. NP, but can we keep this on the list please? (See http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#PPIOSPE for a few good reasons why to keep discussion threads in the open instead of private mail. For a start, someone else might have had time sooner than me to answer this question...) > When I follow your instructions, I find the following > missing DLLs: > > cygpng12.dll and cygxml2-2.dll > > The fact that these start with "cyg" might indicate > that these are part of cygwin. Absolutely so. In order to find out what cygwin package contains any given file, you plug its name into the search box at http://cygwin.com/packages/. Doing so tells us that cygpng12.dll is part of the libpng12 package, and that cygxml2-2.dll is part of the libxml2 package. > Since I downloaded > cygwin from the official site (or one of its mirrors) > and followed the installation instructions, I have no > idea what to do next. Any suggestions would be > welcome. You'll need to re-run setup.exe just like you did when you followed the fontforge install instructions (assuming you referred to http://fontforge.sourceforge.net/ms-install.html), only this time select the libpng12 and libxml2 packges. They'll both be in the Libs category, rather than the X11 category that you were told to look under last time. > BTW, are you the famous David Korn who developed the > Unix Korn shell at Bell Labs? :) Get asked that a lot. I refer you to my "From:" line! cheers, DaveK -- Can't think of a witty .sigline today.... -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Running fontforge.exe does nothing 2008-06-24 18:56 ` Dave "No, not that one" Korn @ 2008-06-24 23:49 ` David Spector 2008-06-25 0:09 ` Dave Korn ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: David Spector @ 2008-06-24 23:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin Dave, Thanks for your quick and helpful response. As you requested, I'll keep this discussion on the list. I'm having trouble using setup.exe. It seems to want to download all sorts of software I'm not interested in by default. Example: ghostscript, which I already have installed under Windows. I can't find any way to install only the libpng12 and libxml2 packages without having to expand then check and uncheck hundreds of individual entries. Is there a shortcut way of setting all the checkboxes to "don't download", so I can just download these two packages? (I won't waste space including your message of June 24, 2008 1:40 PM, since it's in the archive. Why does cygwin use the mailing list approach, instead of an online forum? Seems awkward, since we have to receive all messages instead of subscribing to or browsing the categories or threads in which we are interested.) David -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* RE: Running fontforge.exe does nothing 2008-06-24 23:49 ` David Spector @ 2008-06-25 0:09 ` Dave Korn 2008-06-25 0:25 ` Ralph Hempel 2008-06-25 0:32 ` Brian Dessent 2 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Dave Korn @ 2008-06-25 0:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin David Spector wrote on 25 June 2008 00:37: > I'm having trouble using setup.exe. It seems to want > to download all sorts of software I'm not interested > in by default. Example: ghostscript, which I already > have installed under Windows. > > I can't find any way to install only the libpng12 and > libxml2 packages without having to expand then check > and uncheck hundreds of individual entries. > > Is there a shortcut way of setting all the checkboxes > to "don't download", so I can just download these two > packages? Yep: see the radio buttons at the top of the package chooser? Click "Keep". > (I won't waste space including your message of June > 24, 2008 1:40 PM, since it's in the archive. Why does > cygwin use the mailing list approach, instead of an > online forum? Seems awkward, since we have to receive > all messages instead of subscribing to or browsing the > categories or threads in which we are interested.) Lack of demand, really. There's always gmane and nabble for those who want an alternative interface. cheers, DaveK -- Can't think of a witty .sigline today.... -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Running fontforge.exe does nothing 2008-06-24 23:49 ` David Spector 2008-06-25 0:09 ` Dave Korn @ 2008-06-25 0:25 ` Ralph Hempel 2008-06-25 0:32 ` Brian Dessent 2 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Ralph Hempel @ 2008-06-25 0:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin David Spector wrote: > (I won't waste space including your message of June 24, 2008 1:40 PM, > since it's in the archive. Why does cygwin use the mailing list > approach, instead of an online forum? Seems awkward, since we have to > receive all messages instead of subscribing to or browsing the > categories or threads in which we are interested.) That's funny, I feel the same way about browsing messages on forums :-) Whenever I have a chioce, I use email instead of forums precicely because I get all the messages, I can sort them or ignore them as I choose, and I don't need to waste time with a clumsy web based reader that throws ads in as well... Ralph -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Running fontforge.exe does nothing 2008-06-24 23:49 ` David Spector 2008-06-25 0:09 ` Dave Korn 2008-06-25 0:25 ` Ralph Hempel @ 2008-06-25 0:32 ` Brian Dessent 2 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Brian Dessent @ 2008-06-25 0:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David Spector; +Cc: cygwin David Spector wrote: > I'm having trouble using setup.exe. It seems to want > to download all sorts of software I'm not interested > in by default. Example: ghostscript, which I already > have installed under Windows. Packages have dependencies. When you select one package, setup adds all the other packages that are required for proper operation of that package. If it selected ghostscript, it's because you've selected a package (possibly indirectly) that is listed as requiring ghostscript. If you try to second guess these dependencies you end up with a broken system where trying to run a command results in nothing happening because of missing DLLs, which is the original problem that brought you here in the first place. > I can't find any way to install only the libpng12 and > libxml2 packages without having to expand then check > and uncheck hundreds of individual entries. Again, if you try to second guess setup you'll just end up with a broken system. If it selects a package for installation that means something indicates that it's necessary for proper operation. > (I won't waste space including your message of June > 24, 2008 1:40 PM, since it's in the archive. Why does > cygwin use the mailing list approach, instead of an > online forum? Seems awkward, Oh, where to begin. Email is flexible. You can read messages using your choice of program, from full client (Outlook, Thunderbird, Kmail) to text mode client (emacs, mutt, pine, elm) to webmail (hotmail, gmail, etc) to mobile phones, and so on. With a web forum, you get precisely one UI with no alternatives. If I find the forum admin's choice of colors or font size objectionable I have no choice, whereas I can configure my email client as I wish. I can filter/sort/organize the messages as I wish according to arbitrarily complex rules, whereas forums give few options. And I cringe when thinking of having to compose messages in a crappy little web browser form, compared to using a full fledged text editor. Email is distributed. When I receive the copy of an email it stays in my client until I move or delete it. I can instantly refer to old messages with practically zero delay, whereas with web forums there is a page load delay for every page, not to mention that there's not even a possibility of using web forums offline. Email has real threads (a tree) when used in conjunction with a real client, not a flat list of messages. Email is mirrored. With web forums, the messages live in exactly one place and are hard or impossible to mirror by third parties without database access. If that one site ever goes down, the content usually dies with it. Mailing lists are archived widely by disparate parties and tend to live on forever regardless of whether the original host still exists. Examples: <http://marc.info/> and <http://www.mail-archive.com/>. Email is fast. It's pure text. There are no annoying smileys, avatars, obnoxious flashing banner ads, stylesheets, javascript, etc. And mercifully on this list there is no HTML either. Email is a push not a pull medium. There's no refreshing of a page to see if someone replied, you get a message delivered when it's sent. Email is universal. You can CC multiple lists/projects and multiple recipients, because practically every open source project has a mailing list. With web forums, you are restricted to only those forums on that particular board. There is no choice of crossposting to other boards and having replies work in a sensible manner; every community is its own little walled garden. There are countless various different and incompatible forum scripts/software, none of which can communicate; but email is standard. Email tends to be treated with a more mature attitude. For the most part people use real names and they communicate in proper English with complete sentences and proper grammar. Web forums tend to attract the "LOL OMG WTF!!!!!!!!!! :smiley:" kind of useless lamer. Email can be easily gatewayed to other formats. If you want to read the mailing list like a web forum, you can: <http://www.nabble.com/Cygwin-f12165.html>. If you want to read it as a newsgroup, you can: <nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.os.cygwin>. If you want to read it as a blog, you can: <http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.os.cygwin>. And so on with RSS, etc. But a web forum is inflexible and static, its interface is totally the mercy of the script used and site admin. > since we have to receive > all messages instead of subscribing to or browsing the > categories or threads in which we are interested.) No, you don't. You can simply send a message to the list and request to be CC:d on replies. You needn't subscribe and receive everything. Brian -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Running fontforge.exe does nothing @ 2008-06-25 0:26 David Spector 2008-06-25 1:39 ` Larry Hall (Cygwin) 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: David Spector @ 2008-06-25 0:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin Dave and Ralph, Thanks for your quick responses and help. That did it. I can now run fontforge. Thanks again! (Surely cygwin packaging could have been done similar to the Make model so a single "install the latest fontforge" command would automatically install cygwin, x windows, and all necessary libraries, with nothing unnecesary? It seems weird to have to spend hours of realtime to get the advice necessary to get an ordinary program running, not to mention having to use two different diagnostic tools, cygcheck and the module search page.) David -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Running fontforge.exe does nothing 2008-06-25 0:26 David Spector @ 2008-06-25 1:39 ` Larry Hall (Cygwin) 2008-06-25 14:43 ` David Spector 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Larry Hall (Cygwin) @ 2008-06-25 1:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin David Spector wrote: > Dave and Ralph, > > Thanks for your quick responses and help. > > That did it. I can now run fontforge. Thanks again! > > (Surely cygwin packaging could have been done similar to the Make model > so a single "install the latest fontforge" command would automatically > install cygwin, x windows, and all necessary libraries, with nothing > unnecesary? It seems weird to have to spend hours of realtime to get the > advice necessary to get an ordinary program running, not to mention > having to use two different diagnostic tools, cygcheck and the module > search page.) Cygwin packaging is "done similar to the Make model" in that packages know what their dependencies are and will automatically add those to the list of packages to install. I'm not sure where you got "fontforge" but it's not part of what's distributed with Cygwin. If you visited <http://cygwin.com/packages/> and searched for it, this would be evident to you. The fact that some external source for 'fontforge' does not magically do what you want with 'setup.exe' should not be that surprising to you, at least once you armed with the knowledge of what you're doing. As for the using both <http://cygwin.com/packages/> and 'cygcheck', once you have 'cygcheck', you don't need <http://cygwin.com/packages/>. But the latter is nice when you don't have the former. And actually, 'cygcheck -p' just wraps the web functionality into a convenient command-line tool. So there's really nothing weird about it. -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office 216 Dalton Rd. (508) 893-9889 - FAX Holliston, MA 01746 _____________________________________________________________________ A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Running fontforge.exe does nothing 2008-06-25 1:39 ` Larry Hall (Cygwin) @ 2008-06-25 14:43 ` David Spector 2008-06-25 18:17 ` Larry Hall (Cygwin) 2008-06-26 2:57 ` Christopher Faylor 0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: David Spector @ 2008-06-25 14:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin Thanks for your replies. Larry, Thanks for the info. I think the maintainer of fontforge should have added it to the cygwin setup as a standard package, with the appropriate dependencies. That would have avoided the problem that I had (and more people in the future will probably have with installing fontforge on Windows). Brian, Thanks for your thoughtful analysis of email vs. Web forum as methods for discussing things. I agree with some of your points, but not with others. Since I am opposed to flame wars in a realtime information channel like this one, let me just say that I disagree but respect your position, and leave it there. Perhaps the best solution would be for any information channel (like this mailing list) to offer a choice of either user interface. This could be done in some standard Open Source way, so no organization hosting a channel would have to do any additional programming. I consider this thread as completed, with thanks again to David Korn for his great help. David Spector -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Running fontforge.exe does nothing 2008-06-25 14:43 ` David Spector @ 2008-06-25 18:17 ` Larry Hall (Cygwin) 2008-06-26 2:57 ` Christopher Faylor 1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Larry Hall (Cygwin) @ 2008-06-25 18:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On 06/25/2008, David Spector wrote: > Larry, > > Thanks for the info. I think the maintainer of fontforge should have added > it to the cygwin setup as a standard package, with the appropriate > dependencies. That would have avoided the problem that I had (and more > people in the future will probably have with installing fontforge on > Windows). Agreed. We encourage this as well. It helps eliminate confusion. And while we highly encourage folks packaging things for Cygwin to become a Cygwin maintainer so their offerrings become part of the distribution, some have chosen not to do this but to still package things in a setup- compatible way. While this is not ideal, it does make it easier for users to point 'setup.exe' to these other servers and install packages directly from these servers, just like any other mirror. If fontforge was packaged and served this way, it very likely would have been easier for you too. -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office 216 Dalton Rd. (508) 893-9889 - FAX Holliston, MA 01746 _____________________________________________________________________ A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Running fontforge.exe does nothing 2008-06-25 14:43 ` David Spector 2008-06-25 18:17 ` Larry Hall (Cygwin) @ 2008-06-26 2:57 ` Christopher Faylor 1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Christopher Faylor @ 2008-06-26 2:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 09:32:51AM -0400, David Spector wrote: >Perhaps the best solution would be for any information channel (like >this mailing list) to offer a choice of either user interface. This >could be done in some standard Open Source way, so no organization >hosting a channel would have to do any additional programming. That sounds like quite a bit of work for an administrator (i.e, me) both in terms of setup and in ongoing maintenance. Lots of projects use mailing lists so we'll be sticking with mailing lists for the foreseeable future. If that isn't acceptable then, as was pointed out, there are other web sites which provide a web interface. cgf -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Running fontforge.exe does nothing @ 2008-06-22 14:59 David Spector 2008-06-22 15:39 ` Dave Korn 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: David Spector @ 2008-06-22 14:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin Hi. I've installed the latest cygwin on my Windows XP Home system named "SYS3", and it appears to run perfectly. I have plenty of disk and memory space. www.springtimesoftware.com/ff-screen02.JPG shows the result of typing xinit. (Typing startx is similar for me, except that the created X window is smaller.) I installed the latest fontforge, following the official instructions. When I run fontforge in the X window, nothing happens. www.springtimesoftware.com/ff-screen01.JPG shows this. As you can see, there is no error message. (I would have thought this was a fontforge question, but I was asked to post it here.) Does anyone have an idea of what I could have done wrong? I should say I know next to nothing about cygwin, fontforge, or Linux. I'm only interested in running fontforge, which requires cygwin. I believe lots of people do run fontforge on Windows, so an answer may be relevant to people other than myself. David -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* RE: Running fontforge.exe does nothing 2008-06-22 14:59 David Spector @ 2008-06-22 15:39 ` Dave Korn 0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Dave Korn @ 2008-06-22 15:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin David Spector wrote on 22 June 2008 12:30: > I installed the latest fontforge, following the > official instructions. > > When I run fontforge in the X window, nothing happens. > www.springtimesoftware.com/ff-screen01.JPG shows this. > As you can see, there is no error message. This is the typical symptom of a program that is missing a DLL it needs under Cygwin. If you run "cygcheck fontforge.exe", it'll tell you what fontforge needs and if any are missing. cheers, DaveK -- Can't think of a witty .sigline today.... -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
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